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[Synkreto]

Testing is how you can more aggressively target the virus, that's why south Korea is doing so well against it (reportedly). People who are not infected can continue to keep things running, staged release from lockdown and such. To quote the Dr in the video I posted on that last page "you can't fight what you can't see". Or that may be from the Predator still sensible.

With extensive testing you don't have medics on precautionary home isolation and the wider problems don't get as bad.

Idk man, why are we even discussing the Issue of testing still? I mean, do people who are happy about vaccines being fasttracked and experimental cures being fasttracked not knowing whether they actually kill more people than they help not understand that you can not really develop any kind of medicinal treatment if you have zero clue who has the Virus and who hasn't ?

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

I’ve just read that the uk gov has just amended the mental health act to remove the 3 month review of compulsory sectioning....

Updates

www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk

Interpretation here:

Coronavirus: temporary changes to the Mental Health Act

Find our more about the emergency changes that have been made to the Mental Health Act in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

www.rethink.org

Something I’ve seen amongst the more vulnerable groups I know, is that for people who have some types of mental health issues, this isolation is for them, worse than the risk of corona.
I can’t see it happening that if we get a compulsory order, that everyone will comply in the uk.
I wonder if it’s better (and less risk) to operate an organized and authorized as safe as possible meet for such people rather than them do it anyway with more risk.
I feel incredibly lucky right now - I’ve got siblings to chat on the phone with, I’ve got a modest house with a yard and a woman who loves me;
Try to reach out a little everyone, to people not so fortunate.
Take care!

 

[jasonbarron]

It’s where all the Iditarod winners come from.

Not all of them! Joar Liefseth Ulsom doesn't really count as a Norwegian

Still....top marks! Norway has an amazing dog culture in general, whereas in America really being into your dogs is a luxury and at the very best "niche." From a culture that is still so into sporting dogs such as you have you're bound to produce not only champion canine athletes, but also phenomenal mushers. Nothing but respect for the program you guys have, and I'm proud to say that I've actually personally raced with a number of your country men and women back in the aughts.

 

[Synkreto]

It never ceases to amaze me how guys like you, and this an all too common strategy on the forum, act as if they have all the answers.

How can I answer to this properly without going personal ? No clue . So I will not repsond . Ah dang, I did XD .

edit: if nothing esle, your reply made me correct my spelling error in my post you reacted to . Thanks .

 

[Ian Skippy]

Little local update: Belgium is considering extending lockdown to end of may (eight weeks). Minister of health also explicitly stated being very concerned about the Dutch approach, and being worried that such an approach was taken by a country right next door. Pretty unheard levels of criticism, normally (at least publicly) there is the policy of not criticizing other nations.

I fear she is correct though.

 

[LanceLord]

The last few weeks I’ve been traveling through South America, the Middle East and India, now here is the fun factor, I had some business in Europe too and when I got off the airplane from India no check for virus, nothing nada, when I arrived in India there was a very strict control of all passengers.

until now India got about 30 something cases officially known, Europe is already a lost case if you compare, I know that if the virus get a foot in a country like India it will rampage very fast, because basically no hygiene exist there. So when I return to the America’s I’m going to self quarantine for a month

Assuming that as an American citizen, you'll be allowed back into the country that is.....

 

[Ian Skippy]

It never ceases to amaze me how guys like you, and this an all too common strategy on the forum, act as if they have all the answers.

I think that has more to do with the fact that the countries that succesfully seem to have dealt with it have all relied on extensive testing, and with the fact that the WHO and other institutions have all insisted from the very early start that extensive testing is essential. There is little to no disagreement between experts about this; whether you ask medical experts in China, Singapore, the USA or the EU: extensive testing is absolutely essential and delays in setting up testing infrastructures have very serious consequences.

Given such overwhelming consensus between people with vastly more knowledge and experience regarding these matters, I simply don't see why I, or you, would disagree with their assessment. Doesnt mean that we have all the answers; It is the opposite, we do not pretend to have better answers than they do.

 

[Good Whiskey]

I think that has more to do with the fact that the countries that successfully seem to have dealt with it have all relied on extensive testing, and with the fact that the WHO and other institutions have all insisted from the very early start that extensive testing is essential. There is little to no disagreement between experts about this; whether you ask medical experts in China, Singapore, the USA or the EU: extensive testing is absolutely essential and delays in setting up testing infrastructures have very serious consequences.

Given such overwhelming consensus between people with vastly more knowledge and experience regarding these matters, I simply don't see why I, or you, would disagree with their assessment. Doesnt mean that we have all the answers; It is the opposite, we do not pretend to have better answers than they do.

 

[Synkreto]

I think that has more to do with the fact that the countries that succesfully seem to have dealt with it have all relied on extensive testing, and with the fact that the WHO and other institutions have all insisted from the very early start that extensive testing is essential. There is little to no disagreement between experts about this; whether you ask medical experts in China, Singapore, the USA or the EU: extensive testing is absolutely essential and delays in setting up testing infrastructures have very serious consequences.

Given such overwhelming consensus between people with vastly more knowledge and experience regarding these matters, I simply don't see why I, or you, would disagree with their assessment. Doesnt mean that we have all the answers; It is the opposite, we do not pretend to have better answers than they do.

There seems to be that idea that its better to have thousands if not millions of people drop dead all over the world by unkown cause(s) as to extensively test . No clue where that Idea originates from honestly .

 

[LanceLord]

Little local update: Belgium is considering extending to end of may (eight weeks). Minister of health also explicitly stated being very concerned about the Dutch approach, and being worried that such an approach was taken by a country right next door. Pretty unheard levels of criticism, normally (at least publicly) there is the policy of not criticizing other nation's.

I fear she is correct though.

Partisan scare mongering aside, according to Gov. Newsom, in California (the most populous state in the union) C19 is forecasted to infect 25 million Californians over the next 8 weeks.

That's nearly 50% of the Golden State's population over the next two months. New York is estimated around 10K and growing.

We're not exactly at the pandemic level of the TWD universe as yet. But at the rate California, New York and especially NYC are blowing up, it's definitely more than "a few isolated cases". At least relative to here in the US v. EU and world wide. Quite coincidental how China (the alleged epicenter of ground zero) remains adamant insisting there aren't any new cases to date.....

 

[Ian Skippy]

Partisan scare mongering aside, according to Gov. Newsom, in California (the most populous state in the union) C19 is forecasted to infect 25 million Californians over the next 8 weeks.

That's nearly 50% of the Golden State's population over the next two months. New York is estimated around 10K and growing.

We're not exactly at the pandemic level of the TWD universe as yet. But at the rate California, New York and especially NYC are blowing up, it's definitely more than "a few isolated cases". At least relative to here in the US v. EU and world wide. Quite coincidental how China (the alleged epicenter of ground zero) remains adamant insisting there aren't any new cases to date.....

Yeah, it concerns me greatly. Due to my background I have a number of friends, Americans and expats, living in a number of large urban centers in the US. I am very concerned with what is happening over there, and not 'amused' at all by how things are being tackled. 25 million of infections in California would inevitably lead to the complete collapse of the medical infrastructure and scenes far beyond what Italy has had to face. Now, eight weeks is far off, relatively speaking. So there is still a lot that can, and should, be done to get things down to more manageable numbers.

The most baffling thing to me is that in the media this seems still to be framed largely as an 'election affair'. For example, Cuomo's decisive leadership is not being framed as a model for other states, but instead as either bad news for Trump ("the contrast between Cuomo and Trump shows how week WH's leaderships is!", if you read more liberal media) or bad news for Biden/Sanders (Fox News today went with "Cuomo overshadows presidential hopefuls!"). It is insane, it seems like US media just mentally cannot deal with anything in a way that isn't reflexive partisanship. When you read the comments you see the respective bases gleefully commenting how this approaching catastrophe is 'hurting the other side's election chances'. It is insane. Absolutely insane.

As for China: I am not sure why that keeps being reported. Truth is China has not had a single day where they did not report new cases. Numbers are small (+-50 last 24 hours, and 6 deaths) but many people don't quite grasp the extensive measures they have and are still taken. Think going door-to-door with forced temperature measurements, and locking people up who show signs of a fever. Complete ban of travel between provinces, cities, neighbourhoods and roadblocks on the streets. People flying in to China are now kept in centralized quarantine zones which can only be left after showing no symptoms for a given period of time. And so forth. It is still not fully squashed, and as with any country reported numbers are only a percentage of true cases, but they simply are dealing with this far more decisively.

 

[Synkreto]

Partisan scare mongering aside, according to Gov. Newsom, in California (the most populous state in the union) C19 is forecasted to infect 25 million Californians over the next 8 weeks.

That's nearly 50% of the Golden State's population over the next two months. New York is estimated around 10K and growing.

We're not exactly at the pandemic level of the TWD universe as yet. But at the rate California, New York and especially NYC are blowing up, it's definitely more than "a few isolated cases". At least relative to here in the US v. EU and world wide. Quite coincidental how China (the alleged epicenter of ground zero) remains adamant insisting there aren't any new cases to date.....

Coronavirus 'could infect 60% of global population if unchecked'

Exclusive: Public health epidemiologist says other countries should consider adopting China-style containment measures

www.theguardian.com

Look at the date of that Article...

 

[jasonbarron]

How can I answer to this properly without going personal ? No clue . So I will not repsond . Ah dang, I did XD .

edit: if nothing esle, your reply made me correct my spelling error in my post you reacted to . Thanks .

You've already said words to the effect of "I honestly don't know if I want to be on the same planet as people like you" so don't feel like you stand on formality now

 

[Northpin]

No question here, mass testing should be mandatory...
The naked truth is that's simply not possible. I cant even find a face mask at the moment in our stores :/

We tested less than 10000, but i've heard some news yesterday that 200k PCR tests plus 1 million quick tests are supposed to be on their way from South Korea
delivery date stated quite vague as in second half of the week 23-30.

 

[Stigbob]

Idk man, why are we even discussing the Issue of testing still? I mean, do people who are happy about vaccines being fasttracked and experimental cures being fasttracked not knowing whether they actually kill more people than they help not understand that you can not really develop any kind of medicinal treatment if you have zero clue who has the Virus and who hasn't ?

I'm still working so I go places visiting people some of whom are infected others not, if we did more testing there would be less risk of me inadvertently spreading it around and we'd have a better idea of which area's were high risk or not. We are definitely confining a very high number of perfectly healthy people in very low risk areas we just can't identify the people or area's accurately.

What South Korea have done (with success) is vigorously test, contact trace and confine/treat as many cases as they can. That's what stops the spread in its tracks.

 

[jasonbarron]

Partisan scare mongering aside, according to Gov. Newsom, in California (the most populous state in the union) C19 is forecasted to infect 25 million Californians over the next 8 weeks.

That's nearly 50% of the Golden State's population over the next two months. New York is estimated around 10K and growing.

We're not exactly at the pandemic level of the TWD universe as yet. But at the rate California, New York and especially NYC are blowing up, it's definitely more than "a few isolated cases". At least relative to here in the US v. EU and world wide. Quite coincidental how China (the alleged epicenter of ground zero) remains adamant insisting there aren't any new cases to date.....

Sure, which is the reason why the technical approach in California now is to focus on the grim realities of treatment vs expending too much energy on testing (this relevant to a point I made earlier and was immediately denounced by another poster) because from a simple mathematical basis you can't test 25 million people.

That's just one state. There probably aren't 25 million test kits in the world.

 

[Stigbob]

Sure, which is the reason why the technical approach in California now is to focus on the grim realities of treatment vs expending too much energy on testing (this relevant to a point I made earlier and was immediately denounced by another poster) because from a simple mathematical basis you can't test 25 million people.

That's just one state. There probably aren't 25 million test kits in the world.

You don't need to, concentrate on area's with high symptoms test all hospital patients and staff. Work outwards from there.

 

[Synkreto]

Sure, which is the reason why the technical approach in California now is to focus on the grim realities of treatment vs expending too much energy on testing (this relevant to a point I made earlier and was immediately denounced by another poster) because from a simple mathematical basis you can't test 25 million people.

That's just one state. There probably aren't 25 million test kits in the world.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4it58bem6I


One private person able to donate 500.000 testkits...to the USA of all Nations !

 

[jasonbarron]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4it58bem6I


One private person able to donate 500.000 testkits...to the USA of all Nations !

Why the "to the USA of all Nations" comment?

 

[Synkreto]

You've already said words to the effect of "I honestly don't know if I want to be on the same planet as people like you" so don't feel like you stand on formality now

I am sure you are perfectly aware you twist what I wrote . Please do me the courtesy of, if you quote me, quote me with my own words . Please.