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You are misreading the stats: the 5% is for the cases that have not yet had an outcome. You forgot to factor in that of those cases that have been officially resolved 13% ended in death, which is to most people also quite a consequential outcome. ;)
Look at the total # of infected . Substract the # of closed cases . The result = "pending" cases .
Look at the total# of closed cases . Look at the # of recovered/discharged . Look at the # of dead. Gives you a better Idea of how many people actually die to it . Also, some indication of how many of pending and new cases will probably die . Expect that % to go up massively as more and more Healthcare systems around the world get totally overwhelmed . Unless we find a cure rather quick ofc .

Also, think about all the people not dieing to it . Would you say loosing family/friends/close ones would be of little to no consequence ?

I took only total cases and total deaths.
I disregarded the active cases and the serious cases - that's also a 95% / 5% - but hopefully a percentage of the serious cases will manage to recover.

I disregarded the fact that the poor 5% are leaving behind loved ones that are suffering. :(
Because i was trying to point out that Covid-19 might not be the worse thing to come.

Hopefully a treatment and/or a vaccine will be found sooner and not later.
 
I took only total cases and total deaths.
I disregarded the active cases and the serious cases - that's also a 95% / 5% - but hopefully a percentage of the serious cases will manage to recover.

I disregarded the fact that the poor 5% are leaving behind loved ones that are suffering. :(
Because i was trying to point out that Covid-19 might not be the worse thing to come.

Hopefully a treatment and/or a vaccine will be found sooner and not later.

Yes.

But, consider the following : estimated 60 - 80% of world population get infected . As it looks now (using the worldometers stats you sourced ), of all those cases, once they actually had an outcome, 87% end up living . 13%...will be dead . Could be better, coud be worse, could be totally off, noone really knows...but honestly, I prefer Specialists, Scientists, Politicians, everyone who matters in this thing to consider the worst case scenario rather than "Let's gamble on finding a cure rather quick" .

p.s.: do not think those who are considered "recovered" from SARS -CoV -2 infection will be perfectly healthy immediately . People end up with damage to the lungs, heart, idk whatelse...it has been said that even just to recover to the point were you could get back to some kind of fulltime work may take as long as a year in some cases. Or may not happen at all, cos damage suffered can turn out to be permanent .
 
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Also, to be perfectly clear: those who are 'critical' but recover from ICU are, on average, looking at 6-12 months of recovery and almost none will ever fully recover. We dont currently worry about that because the possibility of huge number of deaths is even scarier, but we're talking about dozens of millions of people who will live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.
 
Mnuchin replied. “But let me be clear — and this is not just in the U.S., this is around the world. Nobody expected this to take off at the rate it did."
- from interview today.

100% true, nobody expected it at the rate it moved, not me, not anybody. Humans have a normalization bias, where we expect things to change slowly if at all.

We used horses for 6 thousand years, then Henry Ford came along. Nobody really predicted what would change or what the word "highway" would come to mean.

SARS-Cov 2 deserves a place on the Select List, alongside Marburg and Nipah and Smallpox.

We need to have an automated supply response protocol and a stockpile for this kind of event, like a home prepper pantry on a bigger scale. We need a Global Pandemic Response Team that cannot be removed by local political whims. And we need a functional WHO, preferably run by Singapore.
 
- from interview today.

100% true, nobody expected it at the rate it moved, not me, not anybody. Humans have a normalization bias, where we expect things to change slowly if at all.

We used horses for 6 thousand years, then Henry Ford came along. Nobody really predicted what would change or what the word "highway" would come to mean.

SARS-Cov 2 deserves a place on the Select List, alongside Marburg and Nipah and Smallpox.

We need to have an automated supply response protocol and a stockpile for this kind of event, like a home prepper pantry on a bigger scale. We need a Global Pandemic Response Team that cannot be removed by local political whims. And we need a functional WHO, preferably run by Singapore.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTtGCq9grE


...though I am not that sure about her credentials, as she has the terminology wrong XD .
 
nobody expected it at the rate it moved, not me, not anybody. Humans have a normalization bias, where we expect things to change slowly if at all.
Contrary to the "Nobody could possibly have known!" standard political cover story that crops up when things are handled badly, we have ample understanding of exactly how quickly these things can spread. H1N1 infected 1.4 billion and killed just under or over half a million people, depending on which estimates you go by. We have detailed timelines on the spread (and response to) SARS and countless influenza epidemics.

We know exactly how this sort of thing works, and I think more than anything we're simply experiencing a different set of response circumstances. The role social media has played. The role that this particular crop of politicians has played. The role that the general global atmosphere has played. It shapes the narrative differently, but we certainly should have known that something exactly like this or worse could happen at any time, and there are many medical professionals who do.

Steve is doing what government officials do. They proclaim the unforeseen and the extraordinary to ensure that failures aren't focused on.
 
Contrary to the "Nobody could possibly have known!" standard political cover story that crops up when things are handled badly, we have ample understanding of exactly how quickly these things can spread. H1N1 infected 1.4 billion and killed just under or over half a million people, depending on which estimates you go by. We have detailed timelines on the spread (and response to) SARS and countless influenza epidemics.

We know exactly how this sort of thing works, and I think more than anything we're simply experiencing a different set of response circumstances. The role social media has played. The role that this particular crop of politicians has played. The role that the general global atmosphere has played. It shapes the narrative differently, but we certainly should have known that something exactly like this or worse could happen at any time, and there are many medical professionals who do.

Steve is doing what government officials do. They proclaim the unforeseen and the extraordinary to ensure that failures aren't focused on.

I think it is important to pay carefull attention to the wording used . "nobody expected it at the rate it moved" is NOT "Nobody could have possibly known ." Also, you are doing the "Its like the flu" thing .

During the last few weeks, a lot of things that were unknowns have been learned .
There was a time when we were not even sure whether it transmits via aerosols or particles . Makes a HUGE difference .
The time it can stay active on different surfaces, decay rate were unknown . There were assumptions being worked with, based on research done on SARS - CoViD -1 . But those were just that...assumptions .
The fact that you can walk around for up to 24 days spreading the Virus before you get Symptoms, heck, even that it can transmit from asymptomatic people took some time to learn . The observation of wildly varying incubation times was not helping at all in this .

Ofc all this can not be an excuse for blatantly lieing, misinforming the public, ignoring ALL the warnings of almost everyone ( especially the Nations having been hit the hardest so far ) and some other rather not amusing things we came to witness various important people around the Globe do in the past few weeks .

But I guess you are probably right . Statements like this one may very well be first efforts to frame the aftermath .
 
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Steve is doing what government officials do. They proclaim the unforeseen and the extraordinary to ensure that failures aren't focused on.

Sure, ok.
But he's not incorrect. Humans as a species cannot emotionally grasp the situation fast enough, is what we are seeing everyday. It blunted the action time, cost lives, and is now a pandemic.

Our bodies have spinal reflexes built in for protection, so we recoil from a burn or a snakebite without any cognition. Similarly, the world cannot rely on our slow recognition of our plight. We need a better faster reaction.

We need an automated response protocol like the stock market circuit breakers to shut down travel and deploy resources to maximize the response. Because waiting TILL it is a Pandemic is too late to stop flights and travel. How many travellers went onto cruise ships in February and March? That should have been stopped.

Imagine a computerized WHO travel override that cancels flights/trains/ship departures without any humans in the loop. That's what I mean. Imagine it saving everybody on those horrible Princess vessels from ever embarking.
 
Also, you are doing the "Its like the flu" thing.

During the last few weeks, a lot of things that were unknowns have been learned.
I'm doing the "Our experts and medical professionals worldwide have done this before and know exactly how this works" thing. So have we as populations. SARS-CoV-2 is SARS. They are coronavirus. How we model the potential spread of things is all based on studies of how things have already spread, and most of us know that viruses with high infection rates can spread like wildfire. That's why early containment is so important, and why playing down the effects and spread of any disease is an absurd thing to do.
 
I'm doing the "Our experts and medical professionals worldwide have done this before and know exactly how this works" thing. So have we as populations. SARS-CoV-2 is SARS. They are coronavirus. How we model the potential spread of things is all based on studies of how things have already spread, and most of us know that viruses with high infection rates can spread like wildfire. That's why early containment is so important, and why playing down the effects and spread of any disease is an absurd thing to do.

Some people are still ignoring the self isolate rules now announcing quarantine early won't work as the idiots amongst us wont take it seriously enough till they see its effects.
 
I'm doing the "Our experts and medical professionals worldwide have done this before and know exactly how this works" thing. So have we as populations. SARS-CoV-2 is SARS. They are coronavirus. How we model the potential spread of things is all based on studies of how things have already spread, and most of us know that viruses with high infection rates can spread like wildfire. That's why early containment is so important, and why playing down the effects and spread of any disease is an absurd thing to do.

I think I absolutely understand what you are saying and where you are coming from . I mean, it is not funny that people a) blame China for their initial response and b) do the EXACT same thing at home . But I also find it is really importat to acknowldge that huge mistakes can be made based on one tiny little error, or ONE wrong assumption based on similar outbreaks. But no doubt "nobody expected it at the rate it moved " can have very much different motivations, intentions and meaning coming from a scientist vs coming from a politician .
 
Back in 1918, the 'Spanish' flu epidemic killed an estimated 17m to 50m people worldwide by the time it had run it's course in 1920, that's around a quarter of the world's population at that time and more than the total deaths of all the major wars of that era combined (WW1, WW2 and the Korean war)... just to put it in perspective...Unlike previous and subsequent flu epidemics, the Spanish flu killed more in their early teens or 20's...those who normally have a stronger immune system. This was partly due to general malnourishment in the population mixed with overcrowding and poor hygiene, it turned the secondary effects of the flu into a super infection. It's still one of the deadliest epidemics in human history.

I don't envisage the Covid-19 pandemic reaching anywhere near those figures...but it's a bad one none the less.
 
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At this point, I'd like to know how I can get it, so I can just get over it and move on...

A bad cold

Big deal
 
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