Open Gun-ports = open for pvp : Pilots federations rule of the duel

[C. FLOSS]

Hi CMDRs,

the OP has a charming proposal about return to Chivalry! But alas it would be very difficult to communicate it to all commanders, especially since some live in such dark recesses of space and never follow the news. They might not follow rules either!

But but, all hope is not lost. To address this big problem, Pilots Federation could recognize a new type of CMDR, called a "Pacifist". If a CMDR was Pacifist, all other ships computers would refuse to attack the ship piloted by the CMDR. However there's strict requirements to become and remain pacifist since a pacifist should be a CMDR that has never harmed nothing and no ones interests and is that way beyond any reproach by plasma fire. Here's some requirements then,

1. Never ever having attacked or bumped or otherwise harmed another CMDR, the said CMDR having either filled or nonfilled square
2. Never ever done any political aggressions or machinations
3. Never ever having hauled any nonconsenting cargo such as domestic appliances or platinum
4. Never ever insulted a nonconsenting thargoid scout, interceptor, crash site or other construct
5. Never ever having landed on a nonconsenting planet
6. Never ever having scanned nonconsenting astronomical bodies, artifacts, creatures or geological oddities
7. Never ever having sold or otherwise transmitted non-consenting data to an engineer or faction
8. Never ever having mined an asteroid without asteroids permission
9. Never ever having eaten a nonconsenting animal, plant or dietary supplement
10. ...

Phew I'm sure there are others but can't think of more now. Its probably a very difficult career with so many things to keep in mind to be sure you're not doing any harm.

Edit: To think of it, if a CMDR is not a pacifist, probably he or she has committed some monstrosity or another, even if you don't know exactly which one. Maybe they have just got their crime record wiped by handing a few credits to some corrupt officer in some backwater system. It should be alright to bring such a CMDR to face the judgement of your railguns.

Bests,
CMDR C. FLOSS
Imperial Princess

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Murgle didn't say "there's no other reason to do PvP than to upset others". He was replying to Bigmaec asking "What if I want unconsenting fights?", and I agreed with his reply in that context.

I won't argue this point anymore. Anyone who can read can check that this is true.

Read their post again.

Then that raises the question: Why?

Other than the obvious of course, such as: people who do not like PvP aren't going to be prepared for it and probably aren't very good at it so I can feel really badass while have little to no skill whatsoever.

Or maybe, people who do not enjoy PvP are going to be very upset when I blow them up and I, being an asphole, get off on making strangers feel bad.

Or it might be as simple as not caring about other players because you are selfish and putting your own enjoyment over that of ever one else's...

So just explain to me why you think it's so important you get to impose your play-style onto others whether they like it or not because honestly I do not understand why you are so important you get to dictate the rules of engagement...

Convince me that players insisting on non-consensual PvP aren't horrible people...if you can.

Taking the post as a whole my summary is on point.

OP, listen to these guys. They're saying it in unvarnished tones; " we knew it would upset people (and it did). Antagonistic gameplay can do that. However, it was absolutely irrelevant to us."

You will probably never fully undertand this mentality, I sympathize, I get that. Fortunately the game makers recognized this and created a Solo mode to filter it out. Use it as I do, and never deal with any of it. Interstingly, there is a correlation in real life.. only no Solo mode.

What's the mentality, in your view? Spell it out for me. I'm a big boy.

Far as I know the only obligations I have are to play by the rules. I don't need permission from the other players. In other words: I bought a game, not a babysitting simulator.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Hi CMDRs,

the OP has a charming proposal about return to Chivalry! But alas it would be very difficult to communicate it to all commanders, especially since some live in such dark recesses of space and never follow the news. They might not follow rules either!

But but, all hope is not lost. To address this big problem, Pilots Federation could recognize a new type of CMDR, called a "Pacifist". If a CMDR was Pacifist, all other ships computers would refuse to attack the ship piloted by the CMDR. However there's strict requirements to become and remain pacifist since a pacifist should be a CMDR that has never harmed nothing and no ones interests and is that way beyond any reproach by plasma fire. Here's some requirements then,

1. Never ever having attacked or bumped or otherwise harmed another CMDR, the said CMDR having either filled or nonfilled square
2. Never ever done any political aggressions or machinations
3. Never ever having hauled any nonconsenting cargo such as domestic appliances or platinum
4. Never ever insulted a nonconsenting thargoid scout, interceptor, crash site or other construct
5. Never ever having landed on a nonconsenting planet
6. Never ever having scanned nonconsenting astronomical bodies, artifacts, creatures or geological oddities
7. Never ever having sold or otherwise transmitted non-consenting data to an engineer or faction
8. Never ever having mined an asteroid without asteroids permission
9. Never ever having eaten a nonconsenting animal, plant or dietary supplement
10. ...

Phew I'm sure there are others but can't think of more now. Its probably a very difficult career with so many things to keep in mind to be sure you're not doing any harm.


Bests,
CMDR C. FLOSS
Imperial Princess

I object. What you describe is a harmless CMDR not a pacifist one.

 

[Crank Larson]

Even in these times, Hotel California stays open...

 

[Crank Larson]

I'm not a big pvp'er either, but if I go into open then I expect/hope for this type of stuff to happen, it just adds to the fun.

I'm not a PvPer at all, but I play in open more than any other mode. And so far the (few) times that a human has interdicted me have been rather uneventful. I've had scarier encounters with NPCs.

But you are all welcome to make me eat my words if you see me.

 

[zarrazee]

Bingo...

"That's a bingo!" (Col. Hans Landa)

 

[Screemonster]

I've never opened fire on a hollow pip that didn't already have hardpoints out and firing upon someone that I didn't want them to be firing upon. I don't see any gain in killing for killing's sake. However, it's part of the game and whether you like it or not it does have a psychological effect, even if it's just jabbing them in the pride when they feel like they're forced to go from open to solo to continue fighting.

Would you call it "griefing" if you supported a PMF that moved into a system, and someone else in another mode had their home there and supported one of the NPC factions? You're obviously a player group and hadn't consented to fighting. What if you took over while they were away, and they flipped it back when they returned? Would that be griefing? Believe it or not, I've run into people on a couple of the subreddits that seem to think it is. I'm not talking about going to someone's system and just killing cops for the lulz, I'm talking about supporting a different group to another group of players. When I've been working with other player groups setting up their factions, they've looked at expansion targets and literally said "oh, there's no player groups there, we can grab it" - purely on the basis of there being no obvious PMFs. Sometimes those procgen factions are very much supported by player groups or individual players. Who's got the right to have it?

Notice the Jacques Accords that @Phisto Sobanii mentioned - they explicitly forbid seizing control of a player group's home system. A gentleman's agreement that all the groups should be allowed to have their starting turf. I broke that rule myself, working alone, just a couple of months ago. Why? It was a player group! I'm kicking over their sandcastle, yadda yadda yadda - except... no, I just don't consider that player faction any more special than any other faction, and they didn't defend themselves so the players that had the faction inserted into the game are probably no longer active anyway.

The point is that there are a lot of things that some players in the game have declared are sacrosanct when nothing in the game actually backs that declaration up, and they get very upset when people simply don't do what they insist upon - and the sooner you play the game you have instead of the game you wish you had, the more fun you'll have with it.

 

[gorankar]

Jeez, if you don't want unwanted PvP, but still want to play in open. Just block people that try to engage in unwanted PvP with you. There are not that many people playing when you play, where you play. You will rather quickly thin out the cmdrs that are prone to engage in unwanted PvP. Of course you will also be thinning out the number of people you see in the game. Gankers are usually not ganking all of the time.

 

[A C Ender]

I've never opened fire on a hollow pip that didn't already have hardpoints out and firing upon someone that I didn't want them to be firing upon. I don't see any gain in killing for killing's sake. However, it's part of the game and whether you like it or not it does have a psychological effect, even if it's just jabbing them in the pride when they feel like they're forced to go from open to solo to continue fighting.

Would you call it "griefing" if you supported a PMF that moved into a system, and someone else in another mode had their home there and supported one of the NPC factions? You're obviously a player group and hadn't consented to fighting. What if you took over while they were away, and they flipped it back when they returned? Would that be griefing? Believe it or not, I've run into people on a couple of the subreddits that seem to think it is. I'm not talking about going to someone's system and just killing cops for the lulz, I'm talking about supporting a different group to another group of players. When I've been working with other player groups setting up their factions, they've looked at expansion targets and literally said "oh, there's no player groups there, we can grab it" - purely on the basis of there being no obvious PMFs. Sometimes those procgen factions are very much supported by player groups or individual players. Who's got the right to have it?

Notice the Jacques Accords that @Phisto Sobanii mentioned - they explicitly forbid seizing control of a player group's home system. A gentleman's agreement that all the groups should be allowed to have their starting turf. I broke that rule myself, working alone, just a couple of months ago. Why? It was a player group! I'm kicking over their sandcastle, yadda yadda yadda - except... no, I just don't consider that player faction any more special than any other faction, and they didn't defend themselves so the players that had the faction inserted into the game are probably no longer active anyway.

The point is that there are a lot of things that some players in the game have declared are sacrosanct when nothing in the game actually backs that declaration up, and they get very upset when people simply don't do what they insist upon - and the sooner you play the game you have instead of the game you wish you had, the more fun you'll have with it.

I call most people who talk about "consent" for PvP hypocrites, because they don't see the problem with doing any of the things you said. A lot of what anyone will do will be against what -someone- want to do, and they didn't "consent" either. PvP is just easier to notice.

 

[Just Paul]

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I call most people who talk about "consent" for PvP hypocrites, because they don't see the problem with doing any of the things you said. A lot of what anyone will do will be against what -someone- want to do, and they didn't "consent" either. PvP is just easier to notice.

And of course the folks who PvP are also better at everything else in the game too. Funny, that.

 

[Screemonster]

And of course the folks who PvP are also better at everything else in the game too. Funny, that.

If not in skill, but in the Alien sense - unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

 

[Rubbernuke]

If not in skill, but in the Alien sense - unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

 

[Hanerib]

Spaceships of the moving kind are the most dangerous, and challenging. In a spiritual sense, in the absolute reality of Tothos, there can be only one direction, inwards, that is: implosion. In the chaotic external void one is constantly witnessing complex physical events of spaceships moving, accelerating, inertia, ether winds into various directions. This raises questions, doubt, and can lead to great suffering. Will that Asp explode? Crash into the mailslot? Into a moon? Will radiating interactions of heated plasma into its hull please Tothos? Everything could happen out there.

 

[Gully Foyle]

BREAKING: Man takes memes as old the the internet to heart and grows offended.
"I'll show my age and therefore that I should be listened to by referring to people as 'kid', that'll teach 'em!" he continued, oblivious to tongue in cheek wording.

Actually it's not funny anymore to talk like that. It's not a meme with no picture is it?

 

[CNC drill press]

Holy c**p, meaby not every commander read forum but hella lot of griefers do. Just look at this grefiers fest :0
Im actually impressed.
Well done, another anti-griefing topic bombed down to ground.

OP: that would is great idea, really but judging on all this 6 pages of replies of pvp heroes, it wont work.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Holy c**p, meaby not every commander read forum but hella lot of griefers do. Just look at this grefiers fest :0
Im actually impressed.
Well done, another anti-griefing topic bombed down to ground.

OP: that would is great idea, really but judging on all this 6 pages of replies of pvp heroes, it wont work.

Besides everything else wrong with the idea it's totally unenforceable.

But hey, that's the kind of reasonable thing a griefer would point out. Crazy, I know!!

 

[aRJay]

Holy c**p, meaby not every commander read forum but hella lot of griefers do. Just look at this grefiers fest :0
Im actually impressed.
Well done, another anti-griefing topic bombed down to ground.

OP: that would is great idea, really but judging on all this 6 pages of replies of pvp heroes, it wont work.

To be fair it isn’t just the PvP fans that think it won’t work it is also the people who think that no more than a fraction of players read the forums or whatever other media he has put it forward in, the majority of players will never hear of the idea so how can it work.

 

[60mm]

Kid, you know I don’t react kindly to that kind of humor. there have been women on the internet and in software development since long before you were born.
We’ve had PM’s conversations about this attitude of yours before.

First, you clearly have no idea what i was saying regarding women on the internet.

Secondly, you messaged me urging me to stop believing in two genders, and when I disagreed, you asserted my refusal to do so or mouth the lie myself meant I am secretly homosexual, to which i did not respond. Trying to pressure a stranger over the internet to change their views with poorly veiled attempts at denigration, and shaming, then not hearing anyrhing back is not a conversation. It's being an completely ineffectual ideological bully, and trying to put me on parade won't change that.

And seriously, the "you're secretly homo" tactic? The Boomer era is gone, please find some new wedges.

 

[CNC drill press]

Besides everything else wrong with the idea it's totally unenforceable.

But hey, that's the kind of reasonable thing a griefer would point out. Crazy, I know!!

Hah, u see that is diffrence, some people can agree collectively on something BECAUSE. Other just need to fear the punishment to behave. Ive already figured it out, just that menatlity is quite popular here (or loud).

To be fair it isn’t just the PvP fans that think it won’t work it is also the people who think that no more than a fraction of players read the forums or whatever other media he has put it forward in, the majority of players will never hear of the idea so how can it work.

Yes of course, obviously not everyone against idea is automatically griefer. I didnt mean that. As for your argument - better that han nothing, eventually it would slowly spread. Also i think griefers are exceptionaly active at forums. Not necessarly here but surely they have some discords where they compare their kill score or sth. So they would know sign, that is most important. but they would ones who have to honor that.... and here we have real problem.