General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Ian Skippy]

I have all of the jealous. Oof that's a nice set up. Once I get a bit of cash I'm thinking about picking up the bass again.

Sounds like a plan, and in recent years virtual amp modeling been really solid and ultra-affordable!.

And not to make you jealous...

Spoiler

Seriously though, creative outlets are a godsend in these times. Know plenty of folks who are finally finding time to work on that novel, set of poems, paintings, music or whatever. If it weren't for, you know, people dying COVID19 would have not been a negative for me. Honestly, the personal impact the virus has had on me (knocks on wood heard some horror-stories about sudden collapses from people seemingly recovering...) is nowhere close to how great it is to have a whole bunch of time to spend on these things.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Aye. Gotta keep yourself busy and stick with a quality routine. For me it was a lot of new games and reading politics and history.

Love those guitars, bud. I use to have a Warwick for the longest while. I think this time around I'll just grab a Fender and maybe an Ampeg stack. Surely the clubs and bars will be open by then?

 

[Ian Skippy]

Aye. Gotta keep yourself busy and stick with a quality routine. For me it was a lot of new games and reading politics and history.

Love those guitars, bud. I use to have a Warwick for the longest while. I think this time around I'll just grab a Fender and maybe an Ampeg stack. Surely the clubs and bars will be open by then?

Might I be so bold as to point you towards G&L? Its the company Leo Fender founded after being muscled out of Fender. Their non-tribute models are still made in Fullerton, California if you care about supporting local luthiers.

 

[Good Whiskey]

I saw it coming, people cannot be trusted to do the right thing, without some legal encouragement. Far too much selfishness, and not enough common sense!

Two very different leadership perspectives have emerged. I have removed any geopolitical references from these two statements.

"Though huge numbers are complying – and I thank you all – the time has now come for us all to do more... You must stay at home. Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households... You should not be meeting family members who do not live in your home. You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine — and you should do this as little as you can."

And...

"At some point, we're going to open up our country, and it will be fairly soon. You look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than what we're talking about. It doesn't mean we're talking about telling people not to drive cars."

Both of these statements are from the past 24 hours. The difference in the tone of these messages is striking.

This may turn out to be the definitive case study in cautiousness and pragmatism vs. bullish indifference.

 

[Xenith]

Two very different leadership perspectives have emerged. I have removed any geopolitical references from these two statements.

"Though huge numbers are complying – and I thank you all – the time has now come for us all to do more... You must stay at home. Because the critical thing we must do is stop the disease spreading between households... You should not be meeting family members who do not live in your home. You should not be going shopping except for essentials like food and medicine — and you should do this as little as you can."

And...

"At some point, we're going to open up our country, and it will be fairly soon. You look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than what we're talking about. It doesn't mean we're talking about telling people not to drive cars."

Both of these statements are from the past 24 hours. The difference in the tone of these messages is striking.

This may turn out to be the definitive case study in cautiousness and pragmatism vs. bullish indifference.

They're still far too concerned about upsetting the plebs. I had hoped they'd moved past that, but I guess it's going to take a much larger death toll?

 

[jasonbarron]

If you're being fair and look at the world scenarios without any derangement syndrome filtering your view(s), one thing that becomes clear is that there is no consensus on how to deal with this best at a national, population wide level. Who's to say which protocol will prove to be the most effective in the long? Certainly not anyone on this forum, despite all the posturing otherwise.

 

[Good Whiskey]

If you're being fair and look at the world scenarios without any derangement syndrome filtering your view(s), one thing that becomes clear is that there is no consensus on how to deal with this best at a national, population wide level. Who's to say which protocol will prove to be the most effective in the long? Certainly not anyone on this forum, despite all the posturing otherwise.

No one here is deranged or stupid. We are capable of examining statements for what they are, and unless you are airing on the side of extreme caution, you're a fool.

My proof is approximately 3.4 million years of the same mistakes we never manage to learn from to the fullest extent possible. If you don't believe in being cautious, then a lot more people are going to lose their lives than is necessary, and the process will drag on far longer than it has to. I refuse to ignore every ounce of professional medical advice currently available and start thinking of this in terms of how many fewer people die from it than in car accidents.

 

[metatheurgist]

We'll certainly know what works after this since various world leaders have offered up their populations for experimentation. Not that we'll learn anything from this, sure as the next pandemic will arise by then we'll all be listening to the 'experts' from social media (or what ever passes for that) again and our 'common sense gut feelings' instead of stupid eggheads with their silly 'facts'.

 

[jasonbarron]

We'll certainly know what works after this since various world leaders have offered up their populations for experimentation. Not that we'll learn anything from this, sure as the next pandemic will arise by then we'll all be listening to the 'experts' from social media (or what ever passes for that) again and our 'common sense gut feelings' instead of stupid eggheads with their silly 'facts'.

The eggheads are coming up with different strategies for different countries, which was my earlier point. Which egghead's plan do you choose?

@Good Whiskey go ahead and link me to whatever you're getting the auto accident comment from, I haven't seen/read it.

 

[Good Whiskey]

We'll certainly know what works after this since various world leaders have offered up their populations for experimentation. Not that we'll learn anything from this, sure as the next pandemic will arise by then we'll all be listening to the 'experts' from social media (or what ever passes for that) again and our 'common sense gut feelings' instead of stupid eggheads with their silly 'facts'.

It's mind-blowing. You have literally the top doctors in some countries calling for incredible precautions in order to prevent the addition of all these deaths to the already tragic early deaths of millions the world over - to prevent it from getting into every household and taking its toll, thus overwhelming medical systems - and some leaders are just very skeptical of all this because, you know, business must go on. Markets need to open and fall to new lows. People need to stop worrying and just risk it.

The eggheads are coming up with different strategies for different countries, which was my earlier point. Which egghead's plan do you choose?

@Good Whiskey go ahead and link me to whatever you're getting the auto accident comment from, I haven't seen/read it.

I didn't want to provide links to articles about politicians here, because I'm not sure if that's against the rules, but for the purposes of providing a source, here's the summary article including the quote and a clip of that and several other rather odd comments on Axios. For your reference only.

Partisanship rating 0/-0.6 (AP/Reuters/BBC nonpartisan raw feed block).

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

How could you abandon us?! Now us Duchies are alone in our reckless refusal of stringent measures.

On Your Left!

(Pass de Duchie pon de left han side. )

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

China’s Mobile Carriers Lose 21 Million Users as Virus Bites

China’s wireless carriers are reporting drops in users as the coronavirus crisis cuts business activity, with China Mobile Ltd., the world’s largest carrier, reporting its first net decline since starting to report monthly data in 2000.

www.bloomberg.com

China’s wireless carriers are reporting drops in users as the coronavirus crisis cuts business activity, with China Mobile Ltd., the world’s largest carrier, reporting its first net decline...

21 million users cancelled their accounts over the last 3 months in China.
Obvious question: how many died?

Not answered at all by the business publication, which has multiple rationales for the drop, and a vested interest in not spooking investors.

 

[jasonbarron]

China’s Mobile Carriers Lose 21 Million Users as Virus Bites

China’s wireless carriers are reporting drops in users as the coronavirus crisis cuts business activity, with China Mobile Ltd., the world’s largest carrier, reporting its first net decline since starting to report monthly data in 2000.

www.bloomberg.com

21 million users cancelled their accounts over the last 3 months in China.
Obvious question: how many died?

Not answered at all by the business publication, which has multiple rationales for the drop, and a vested interest in not spooking investors.

Is it possible to dispose of bodies by the million without the world noticing somehow?

 

[jasonbarron]

It's mind-blowing. You have literally the top doctors in some countries calling for incredible precautions in order to prevent the addition of all these deaths to the already tragic early deaths of millions the world over - to prevent it from getting into every household and taking its toll, thus overwhelming medical systems - and some leaders are just very skeptical of all this because, you know, business must go on. Markets need to open and fall to new lows. People need to stop worrying and just risk it.


I didn't want to provide links to articles about politicians here, because I'm not sure if that's against the rules, but for the purposes of providing a source, here's the summary article including the quote and a clip of that and several other rather odd comments on Axios. For your reference only.

Partisanship rating 0/-0.6 (AP/Reuters/BBC nonpartisan raw feed block).

Thanks GW. I gave it a cursory glance and found it to be injected with quite a lot of opinion from the editor. I don't have a problem with leadership projecting calm and a hope for a return to normalcy, even if it doesn't turn out to be so optimistic and there ends up needing to be a course correction with more restrictive measures put in place in the future.

 

[GJ51]

When I got my first crown, probably 30 years ago or so, the dentist took a mold impression of the tooth and then installed a temporary cap while the mold went to a lab that made the permanent crown replacement. It was somewhere around two or more weeks - less than a month - for the return visit to have the crown installed.

About two years ago I had another one done. This time the dentist used a laser 3d image of the original, went to the back room to program a cnc cutter that cut a solid block into a new crown in about 10 minutes while I sat in the chair.

So it goes, technology moves forward.

The same thing is happening now with new approaches for the treatment of viruses. Rapidly improved time in the sequencing of the virus and multiple approaches now being tested in labs all over the world are determining how to close the gap between identification and effective treatment. How long will it be before this is done locally in hospitals, clinics, and perhaps even in Dr.'s offices, where diagnosis and treatment occur during the visit? It's coming, and rather quickly at that. The pace of progress on this is accelerating and this current outbreak has motivated enormous investment to move the process along.

We will see dramatic advances

And soon

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Numbers are surging globally. It is depressing to see the volume of cases pass the exponential graph corner and spike up in so many places.

The few bright spots like Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore should serve as models for other nations.

What did they do? Not a mystery at all. We have the principles from the Enlightenment.

Be Honest.
Admit ignorance, and fix it by finding out.
Use as much data as you can gather. Build a hypothesis. Use the Scientific Method.
Apply the knowledge to benefit the people.

This is a proven formula. It has led to the greatest accumulation of wealth in human history in the last 400 years than over the past 10 thousand years, put us on the moon, and allowed us to dominate every other species.

All the places that failed have missed one or more of those steps. The places that did the worst have missed all of them.

For instance, using the knowledge to benefit "the Economy" is doomed to kill the economy, because you cannot have one when your people are sick, dying, and social order has collapsed. You can't put up the roof first, it goes on last.

This should be OBVIOUS. To everybody. But it is not. Leadership that fails this test needs to be fired. By trebuchet.

 

[GJ51]

And the mortality rate continues to drop...

 

[Frank]

When I got my first crown, probably 30 years ago or so, the dentist took a mold impression of the tooth and then installed a temporary cap while the mold went to a lab that made the permanent crown replacement. It was somewhere around two or more weeks - less than a month - for the return visit to have the crown installed.

About two years ago I had another one done. This time the dentist used a laser 3d image of the original, went to the back room to program a cnc cutter that cut a solid block into a new crown in about 10 minutes while I sat in the chair.

So it goes, technology moves forward.

The same thing is happening now with new approaches for the treatment of viruses. Rapidly improved time in the sequencing of the virus and multiple approaches now being tested in labs all over the world are determining how to close the gap between identification and effective treatment. How long will it be before this is done locally in hospitals, clinics, and perhaps even in Dr.'s offices, where diagnosis and treatment occur during the visit? It's coming, and rather quickly at that. The pace of progress on this is accelerating and this current outbreak has motivated enormous investment to move the process along.

We will see dramatic advances

And soon

I can imagine virology will get a massive funding increase after all of this is over. Who knows... maybe we'll get a cure for the common cold

I just hope hygiene lessons won't be forgotten. I'd guess this virus is going to remain endemic. And colds & flu are going to be given a hard time if we just follow a few simple rules.. wash yer hands, clean frequently touched surfaces, avoid touching yer face with possibly infected fingers... and fer gawds sake cover yer mouth when sneezing!

 

[Good Whiskey]

Thanks GW. I gave it a cursory glance and found it to be injected with quite a lot of opinion from the editor. I don't have a problem with leadership projecting calm and a hope for a return to normalcy, even if it doesn't turn out to be so optimistic and there ends up needing to be a course correction with more restrictive measures put in place in the future.

I just linked it for the clip of him actually speaking. When you say "opinion from the editor", I would say those "opinions" are simply a reflection of statements made by the vast majority of medical professionals who are not advocating a nonchalant attitude toward the spread of this particular virus. When people have this attitude, and they muse about getting back to work quickly one way or the other, they stoke contempt for regulations put in place specifically to safeguard populations in the present moment.

That's the real problem.

And the mortality rate continues to drop...

It will continue to, but always consider this: 50% of 1 million is still a lot less than 1% of 7 billion. This is why shutdowns are needed. Badly.

 

[lysan]

China’s Mobile Carriers Lose 21 Million Users as Virus Bites

China’s wireless carriers are reporting drops in users as the coronavirus crisis cuts business activity, with China Mobile Ltd., the world’s largest carrier, reporting its first net decline since starting to report monthly data in 2000.

www.bloomberg.com

21 million users cancelled their accounts over the last 3 months in China.
Obvious question: how many died?

Not answered at all by the business publication, which has multiple rationales for the drop, and a vested interest in not spooking investors.

You can’t do anything without a phone in China so this is very odd if you ask me.