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[Patrick_68000]

9,000 deaths from Covid 19 in France (Hospitals + Retirement homes) -

+ 833 in 24 hours.

How many died at home ?

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[Ian Skippy]

Is a lingering of conditions like you describe consistent with the aftermath of covid? I haven't read much about people five weeks down the road recovering from a confirmed case. Sounds like you're worse off than me, but I'm comparable. Still weak and struggle for breath, moderate fluid in my lungs at times, initial sickness probably around the beginning of February. I've been hoping it was covid, no way in hell I could merit a test, but it's statistically likely to be the seasonal flu

5 weeks is excessively long for what I'd consider in my example a 'mild case'. It just takes very long, but at its peak it didn't seem as bad as what you describe. Six weeks is roughly the upper limit for moderate to even severe cases. Its eight weeks for you then, which sounds absurdly long for both COVID19 and the flu. Not a doctor (or at least a proper one ) but it all just sounds weird to me.

 

[Synkreto]

It's kind of surprising that nobody from the WHO has looked more deeply at the Chinese statistics for infection and death toll.

If they're accurate, it seems like the Chinese are experts in controlling the spread of the virus and we should all be looking to them for advice.
Alternatively, they're a lie and it's a lie that's misled every other country in the world about the seriousness of the virus.

Weellll....actually, they did do quite a few things pretty much superright when conatining/mitigating in Wuhan . But - just look around the world - most people did not heed the warnings of "We are your future"....also, many of the measures they were able to put in would not work in too many other countries .

No question about the numbers though, they cant be right .

 

[ianw]

5 weeks is excessively long for what I'd consider in my example a 'mild case'. It just takes very long, but at its peak it didn't seem as bad as what you describe. Six weeks is roughly the upper limit for moderate to even severe cases. Its eight weeks for you then, which sounds absurdly long for both COVID19 and the flu. Not a doctor (or at least a proper one ) but it all just sounds weird to me.

It does seem quite long for what everyone is talking about re Covid and given how you have described your condition previously possibly not that.

Was talking to my brother earlier over a few beers (yes I know, it's Monday but lockdown and all that - he's still out and about working on remote sites - we're both "essential" workers in telecoms) and anecdotally loads of people he's seeing are trying to disguise a cough/throat clearing thing of some sort. We've both had coughs (not new) for over a month now - not massive hacking coughs just now and again. But enough to make anyone within earshot to poop themselves slightly - as I do if someone coughs near me in a shop.

Whenever I've had anything involving a cough it's often hung around a bit for a couple of months even - but without any other symptoms until it goes.

And yes, I am a doctor

 

[jasonbarron]

5 weeks is excessively long for what I'd consider in my example a 'mild case'. It just takes very long, but at its peak it didn't seem as bad as what you describe. Six weeks is roughly the upper limit for moderate to even severe cases. Its eight weeks for you then, which sounds absurdly long for both COVID19 and the flu. Not a doctor (or at least a proper one ) but it all just sounds weird to me.

Ive been working long hours, really physical stuff out in severe (at times) winter conditions, so I assume I'm making my recovery much harder than it would normally be

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

Is a lingering of conditions like you describe consistent with the aftermath of covid? I haven't read much about people five weeks down the road recovering from a confirmed case. Sounds like you're worse off than me, but I'm comparable. Still weak and struggle for breath, moderate fluid in my lungs at times, initial sickness probably around the beginning of February. I've been hoping it was covid, no way in hell I could merit a test, but it's statistically likely to be the seasonal flu

5 weeks is excessively long for what I'd consider in my example a 'mild case'. It just takes very long, but at its peak it didn't seem as bad as what you describe. Six weeks is roughly the upper limit for moderate to even severe cases. Its eight weeks for you then, which sounds absurdly long for both COVID19 and the flu. Not a doctor (or at least a proper one ) but it all just sounds weird to me.

Here in Brighton, uk, I’ve had a few friends and myself who believe they’ve had/having? COVID symptoms. It’s purely anecdotal as none of us have been hospitalized or tested.
Some friends have had quite sudden illnesses with fever and recovered after 2 to 5 days - appears to relate to age/health how badly they fared, but my own symptoms have been more drawn out like Ians.
For me, it started about 2 weeks ago with hot/cold flushes and headaches, these were so mild as to be almost unnoticeable. After a week or so, mild stomach cramps and more headaches. Last couple of days a perceptible but not overly concerning tightening of the chest.
As I say, anecdotal without tests but I suspect this virus affects with many different symptoms and outcomes.
Meanwhiles, lots of fresh juicing going on and eating well
Edit: and it must be pretty damn contagious as I’ve been taking precautions for weeks.

 

[ianw]

Here in Brighton, uk, I’ve had a few friends and myself who believe they’ve had/having? COVID symptoms. It’s purely anecdotal as none of us have been hospitalized or tested.
Some friends have had quite sudden illnesses with fever and recovered after 2 to 5 days - appears to relate to age/health how badly they fared, but my own symptoms have been more drawn out like Ians.
For me, it started about 2 weeks ago with hot/cold flushes and headaches, these were so mild as to be almost unnoticeable. After a week or so, mild stomach cramps and more headaches. Last couple of days a perceptible but not overly concerning tightening of the chest.
As I say, anecdotal without tests but I suspect this virus affects with many different symptoms and outcomes.
Meanwhiles, lots of fresh juicing going on and eating well
Edit: and it must be pretty damn contagious as I’ve been taking precautions for weeks.

Mine was about 5 ish weeks ago - had a weekend when I felt wiped out and stayed in bed for 2 days (not hangover related). I didn't take any temperature readings so I don't know if I had a fever, but if I did it must have been only slightly elevated as I didn't feel feverish.

Without widespread have I got it now and/or antibody tests we're all just fumbling around in the dark trying to guess what's going on.

 

[Morbad]

The symptoms and their severity are all over the place. Without actually being tested, no one can be certain.

Was the explosive diarrhea I had two days ago symptomatic of a mild case of COVID-19, or just symptomatic of drinking two pots of coffee and the better part of a pint of sketchy half-and-half over the course of twelve hours? The world may never know.

Still, best to err on the side of caution.

Without widespread have I got it now and/or antibody tests we're all just fumbling around in the dark trying to guess what's going on.

An antibody test can show if one has ever had it, but doesn't rule out co-infection with something else that may have resulted in the symptoms experienced.

 

[Synkreto]

Yeah, probably easier to see whether one can get tested for the common Influenza and known Human Coronavirusses which are not SARS (1) or MERS . Pure speculation, but I think here and there that a driving fear factor amongst the specialists is possible combination of the less severe Human Coronas with SARS - CoV -2 . Dont know if that is even possible, just a thought .

(Possible) Mutation generally is not talked about enough imho . As we know, the docking mechanism ( RBD ) of SARS - CoV -2 is suboptimal...probably another fear and "STAY HOME FOR GODS SAKE!" driver is to give the Virus as little chance as possible to mutate into something more effective .

 

[Han_Zen]

Boris Johnson is in ICU now, I read. Must be a bit serious.

 

[Ian Skippy]

And there we go:

China should be sued for $6.5 trillion for coronavirus damages says top UK think tank

China could be sued under 10 possible legal avenues for its role in the early cover up and spread of the coronavirus, according to report.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Synkreto]

And there we go:

China should be sued for $6.5 trillion for coronavirus damages says top UK think tank

China could be sued under 10 possible legal avenues for its role in the early cover up and spread of the coronavirus, according to report.

www.smh.com.au

Supersmart timing . China be like "Masks, gowns, gloves ? Not YOU guys ! Oh, and forget about those Antibiotics, too !" Or wait, even better....simple not filtering facemasks now only 259$ a piece...

 

[Ian Skippy]

Boris Johnson is in ICU now, I read. Must be a bit serious.

Nobody goes to the hospital 'just for some checks' and stays there overnight 'in good spirits with no concerns', so not too surprised. Bummer for him, hope he makes a speedy recovery.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It does seem quite long for what everyone is talking about re Covid and given how you have described your condition previously possibly not that.

True, it is just that I dont really have much of an alternative in mind. The normal respiratory infections I have never last this long or are this annoying on the chest. As it happens, couple of days ago I found out that one of my GF's clients is among the first 'generation' of cases. A week after she last seen her she was informed the next meeting was cancelled as the client was in the hospital, following (which was initially suspected) flu-induced pneumonia. My GF has a mild cold, and another week after that my fun started.

Could still mean absolutely anything without a test though, but in hindsight it is interesting.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Supersmart timing . China be like "Masks, gowns, gloves ? Not YOU guys ! Oh, and forget about those Antibiotics, too !" Or wait, even better....simple not filtering facemasks now only 259$ a piece...

China is not going to do anything that would seem even remotely bad to the outside world for quite a while. They are going all-out to be considered the saviors because they know it is absolutely catastrophic for their stability if the entire world holds them accountable for the worst pandemic in a century. Being responsible and found guilty of profiteering? Half the world population would be at the military recruitment center tomorrow...

 

[Synkreto]

China is not going to do anything that would seem even remotely bad to the outside world for quite a while. They are going all-out to be considered the saviors because they know it is absolutely catastrophic for their stability if the entire world holds them accountable for the worst pandemic in a century. Being responsible and found guilty of profiteering? Half the world population would be at the military recruitment center tomorrow...

Would be even smarter, to simply bomb the major global manufcturer of all those things I mentioned back into the Stoneage . Come to think of it...it IS a likely outcome XD .

 

[ianw]

Did people see this?

Breathing techniques and lying facedown

It was doing the rounds on facebook this morning and it appears to be supported in part by studies from Wuhan

 

[Ian Skippy]

'None of the UK's coronavirus antibody tests are good enough to use'

Professor Sir John Bell, from the University of Oxford, said no tests bought so far by the Government had been accurate enough to consider rolling out to the public.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Professor Newton's comments come after one expert in New York said people who catch the virus but don't get seriously ill appear not to be making many antibodies, making it hard to test them. For this reason, he suggested, even good tests might only be 50-60 per cent accurate.

Anyone know if there is a point where you can have anti bodies but not in sufficient amounts to gain immunity? Or is it binary: any amount of antibodies = good to go, so the only issue is finding a way to detect such low amounts?

 

[ianw]

'None of the UK's coronavirus antibody tests are good enough to use'

Professor Sir John Bell, from the University of Oxford, said no tests bought so far by the Government had been accurate enough to consider rolling out to the public.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Anyone know if there is a point where you can have anti bodies but not in sufficient amounts to gain immunity? Or is it binary: any amount of antibodies = good to go, so the only issue is finding a way to detect such low amounts?

Regarding testing generally, heard yesterday someone I know well in Spain in the medical profession had 2 pin (where you stab yourself with a pin - sometime this swear filter is a royal pain in the thing that sites on top of your legs - unless of course you are legless) tests which came back negative then a "proper" test which came back positive for having a Covid infection (as opposed to having the antibodies post infection).

ETA clarification

 

[Morbad]

China is not going to do anything that would seem even remotely bad to the outside world for quite a while.

Chinese leadership might try to keep a lower profile on the world stage than usual, but they aren't just going to stop doing all the things they do that make them who they are. Nor do I think there is even a snowball's chance in hell of getting anything significant out of them through litigation. I do hope the increased scrutiny has some positive side-effects though.

Anyway, many other governments are at least as culpable for their own poor response to the initial outbreak, and since domestic litigation is generally more likely to see results, that's what I expect to see most of. Most of the governments in the world downplayed things to varying degrees, neglected to implement plans for just such scenarios, and fed their own people blatant misinformation. We shouldn't let this be downplayed either.

Would be even smarter, to simply bomb the major global manufcturer of all those things I mentioned back into the Stoneage . Come to think of it...it IS a likely outcome XD .

No it's not, and it wouldn't do anyone any good regardless. Even if military action wasn't doomed to disaster, it would be exactly the sort of external threat the CCP would need to make their populace forget about how oppressed they are, reducing the odds of beneficial changes happening any time soon.