General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qc6VV7ue4cE


Dr Seheult tackles Ivermectin's mechanism of action and the hemoglobin synthesis hypothesis recently featured in Rxiv by an interesting paper.
The hemoglobin thing doesn't seem likely.

He also identifies rare Covid encephalopathy, a really nightmarish complication we haven't seen much of, and pinpoints New Zealand as an interesting cohort and effort.

Hard to believe he's done 52 updates!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Meat packing plants are starting to shut down in the US:

Meat plants are shutting down as workers get sick

Across the country, major meat processors are starting to shut down plants as employees are getting infected by coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

 

[Ian Skippy]

Meat packing plants are starting to shut down in the US:

Meat plants are shutting down as workers get sick

Across the country, major meat processors are starting to shut down plants as employees are getting infected by coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

That is the major issue I had with the 'work vs health' debate: a sick population isn't going to keep production going either, regardless of prognosis. :/ Total casualties increased about tenfold (!) the last ten days, lets hope the flattening in NYC can inspire other regions to get the same result.

In more positive news: despite the FEMA's rather peculiar recent tendency to intercept PPE shipments and hoard them for no clear purpose(!), the states are showing strong solidarity: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/c...lators-with-4-states-2-territories-2020-04-06

 

[jasonbarron]

That is the major issue I had with the 'work vs health' debate: a sick population isn't going to keep production going either, regardless of prognosis. :/ Total casualties increased about tenfold (!) the last ten days, lets hope the flattening in NYC can inspire other regions to get the same result.

So? As Tyson said they did: simply divert incoming shipments of meat to be processed from the plant in New York to a plant in another state where they aren't suffering an outbreak. At some point the outbreak in New York will end and production can be moved back. Not ideal, obviously, but still doable. Assuming you buy the unfolding conspiracy theory of the pandemic, the country doesn't require a blanket quarantine policy of one size fits all, but rather a targeted approach that allows us to isolate high risk areas while allowing other regions to maintain productivity.

Edit: I see that you have two profile pics going depending on where I spot them on the forum. Both of them depict a rodent in a different pose. Is there a story behind that?

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Got my 2 valve prototype reusable respirator up and running. It satisfyingly sounds like Darth Vader breathing.

But it is made from a soda bottle, a Vitamin D Jameson snap cap, a pair of laces and bits of a glove for gaskets. So Cosplay fail, but it ought to be at least on par with the gear we buy because it's a custom fit.

This new gas mask will definitely be a hit with the ladies.

Meat packing plants are starting to shut down in the US:

Meat plants are shutting down as workers get sick

Across the country, major meat processors are starting to shut down plants as employees are getting infected by coronavirus.

www.cnn.com

Hopefully a temporary issue. Once the people recover, they will be immune and able to keep jobs and supplies up.

Now that we are all in the thick of it, it is time to look ahead to the end of this most unpleasant story. Things are going to get better. The measures are working.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

New cases yesterday = 0
New deaths yesterday = 0
Now contacting the flatline.

According to my sources there has been an order placed for 24000 face shield protectors by the government. Why would that be done, we must wonder, if things are going well?
The answer is not enough testing is being done, and they know it.

I need some tiny nuts and bolts to try out a better valve design tomorrow.

 

[jasonbarron]

An accurate portrayal of the questions from the media (yes sleutelbos, media from around the entire world) to President Trump at the daily White House briefings:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-iq32_KggE

 

[Patrick_68000]

Great points, and I feel the same way about working! Stay safe, and here's wishing you great heatlh!

Man, I'm so sorry!

Not sure if you are in the USA, but if you are, unemployment is at 100% for the short term, so here's hoping we can get to a new normal soon and get folks back to work before the unemployment runs out!

PS - Did the college offer any of the students refunds? My son's did not, and if I learned they let instructors go instead of moving online, I'd be taking them to court for a refund...

I like work (well paid).

But being sick for work or even dying for work, no thanks.

I have my human dignity, my pride.

Work ? Yes ! but after many other things, much more essential.

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[WhiteHaulerMan]

The extension of lockdown in the UK is looking likely.

The Independent

 

[WhiteHaulerMan]

But being sick for work or even dying for work, no thanks.

I have my human dignity, my pride.

No, you just happen to live in a state where an option like that exists, or have personal circumstances which allow you to eschew contributing to society.

 

[Synkreto]

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'network pulsing', in this context, other than an intermittent increase in intensity.

Dr. Davis gives some good information in the Video I posted . In 2019, she wrote a "reply" to a New York Times article to point out its failures .

https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/10913128473042/The%20Miseducation%20of%20America%20on%205G_%20The%20New%20York%20Times%20Gets%20It%20Spectacularly%20Wrong.pdf

Some interesting bits up front :

1. Interational Symposion on the Biologic Effects and Health Hazards of Microwave Radiation in 1973 ( WHO, USA Deptmnt. of Health, Education and Welfare, and others ) ;

2. For over two decades, the US EPA had a robust research program on electromagnetic fields (EMF) that was expressly defunded by Congress in 1995, shortly after the EPA briefed the FCC about plans for developing EMF safety standards.

She explains the whole thing ( technical details of EMF in general, 5G specifically ) in much Detail in that Article ( needless to say, looking at it, I realized i do not really know/understand much about this XD . Luckily, smart people like her explain stuff like that to dimwits like me ) .

Here is a paper published by the EU in 2016 . The Section about research on EMF and 5G effects on human Health starts on page 6 .

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2020/646172/EPRS_BRI(2020)646172_EN.pdf

End of derailment . Back to the safest place, which is deep inside me, beyond pictures and words, that place where I can dwell in peace and silence, no matter my surroundings .

 

[Synkreto]

Numbers acc. worldometers as of April 9th, 2020, 10:50 UCT +1

Total Cases : 113.296
Total Deaths : 2.349
Recovered/discharged : 46.300 ( <- these are, afaik, "informed" guesstimates )

Active cases : 64.647
Serious or critical : 4.895 ( 8%) <- this is concerning . We were at 5% steady for weeks . Was to be expected ofc. with our new infections exploding starting last week of March . Our HealthCare is not "safe" ( from overload ) yet .
Deaths : 2.349 (5%) <- this is very consistent .

NewCases graph looks encouraging, it is on a shallow decline it looks like . Total acticve cases also is encouraging . Huge numbers of people seem to have recovered ( also expected ), heres hoping we can keep the decline in new infections going to relieve our HealthCare...which is operating close to or at redline in some areas . It has been said if we do not decline fast enough, curfews might be coming for a while

Official numbers, RKI dashboard :

Experience

experience.arcgis.com

DIVI ICU Beds overview :

DIVI Intensivregister

www.intensivregister.de

Need to look at 2 nd Tab at top left ( Länder - Tabelle ) . Nationwide ( though not 100% of hospitals reporting yet ), 7.225 ICU beds reported unccupied atmo .

Have not been following national news much lately, so am not up to date on considerations there . As for Bavaria, the State I live in : The vast majority of people is very, very happy about how things are being handled . Majority also does NOT want the contaiment/migiatation measures to end at Arpil 19th ( as has been originally set ), but rather have them going on until we got this wave under control . Despite growing concerns about the economic Situation, most people seem to understand that Health is really important, and seem to have faith in government doing the right things for the economy, too .

In my little "behind the 7 hills" town - approx. 77k people - we have 121 infected, 2 dead acc RKI .

 

[lysan]

2020 is going to get a whole lot worse with the biggest global recession for generations starting to come into effect already

Many people are unprepared, they will be the first to go down the pipe.

 

[sewerratuk]

So? As Tyson said they did: simply divert incoming shipments of meat to be processed from the plant in New York to a plant in another state where they aren't suffering an outbreak. At some point the outbreak in New York will end and production can be moved back. Not ideal, obviously, but still doable. Assuming you buy the unfolding conspiracy theory of the pandemic, the country doesn't require a blanket quarantine policy of one size fits all, but rather a targeted approach that allows us to isolate high risk areas while allowing other regions to maintain productivity.

Edit: I see that you have two profile pics going depending on where I spot them on the forum. Both of them depict a rodent in a different pose. Is there a story behind that?

I agree, I have been saying this. Quarantine should have been for the high risk group not a blanket order. Most of this group would not have an impact on the economy if they stayed indoors.
Somehow it got turned into a let all old and weak people die discussion, which I hold my hands up by saying I probably helped move that discussion forward with some light hearted baiting, which I acknowledge may have been viewed as a little insensitive by some at that time

 

[WhiteHaulerMan]

Many people are unprepared, they will be the first to go down the pipe.

I disagree. In the western world, for a lot of people it's not being prepared thats going to trip them up, its a case of refusing to evolve with the world and the situation you face as it changes.

 

[Oldviboy]

USA just exceeded the number of deaths in Spain.

In the Canary Islands, being a little infected community, it is considering leaving the quarantine before although it is not prudent.
My luck has changed a bit and today I have received a card for food purchases, since I live alone, I am unemployed and I do not have nobody's help, I think in a few days I will be without internet service because I can't get the money, but I'm fine. I just want this to be over soon so I can work.


As an anecdotal note about the OP, the island of "la Graciosa" in the canaries, has 0 infections, (less than 800 inhabitants) possibly the safest place now.

 

[jasonbarron]

Oldviboy, are you really isolated from the world there? No tourism, foreign labor, etc?

 

[Oldviboy]

Oldviboy, are you really isolated from the world there? No tourism, foreign labor, etc?

more or less yes, flights and boats were canceled from the first days (only the essential ones), tourists were repatriated to their country, everything was closed, including hotels, the hostelry is destroyed ... and here we live from tourism basically, so we It would be good to leave before quarantine .... but seeing the news from Spain now, they are planning to extend it further, until May 12 or 15


but although the coronavirus has not punished us as in other communities, the worst is yet to come, I think this will be one of the saddest summers (June-September) that is remembered in decades, and the unemployment rate will be historic, since that we were from the most affected communities with the most unemployment during the crisis.

 

[Han_Zen]

I agree, I have been saying this. Quarantine should have been for the high risk group not a blanket order. Most of this group would not have an impact on the economy if they stayed indoors.
Somehow it got turned into a let all old and weak people die discussion, which I hold my hands up by saying I probably helped move that discussion forward with some light hearted baiting, which I acknowledge may have been viewed as a little insensitive by some at that time

Sweden tried this and it didn’t turn out well.
It would probably have worked If they had implemented strict measures in their three largest cities and left the rest of the country as planned.
Geographical difrentiation of the regulations, seem to be to complex for most administrations.
I hope it will become more common. It could save lives and money, in the long run

 

[lysan]

I disagree. In the western world, for a lot of people it's being unprepared thats going to trip them up, its a case of refusing to evolve with the world and the situation you face as it changes.

Well no matter what, being unprepared is what will place people between a rock and a hard place, the result is the same.