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[Patrick_68000]

It was the "contempt" for our environment that caused the Covid-19 crisis, said Jane Goodall, 86, a British primatologist who dedicated her life to the defense of animals, especially chimpanzees, and the environment.

"It is our disregard for nature and our disrespect for the animals with whom we should share the planet that caused this pandemic, which had been predicted for a long time," she said in an interview.

"Because as we destroy, for example the forest, the different species of animals that inhabit it are pushed into forced proximity and diseases pass from one animal to another, and one of these animals, brought together by force of humans, will probably infect them" she said.

"It is also the wild animals hunted, sold on markets in Africa or Asia, in particular in China, and our intensive farms where we cruelly park billions of animals, these are the conditions which give the opportunity to the viruses to make the leap between species towards humans. ".

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[Patrick_68000]

c'est vrai

You too it seems !



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[Han_Zen]

I'd suggest anybody who wanted to look at this should probably start with population density.

For example:-

Iceland: 3 people/km².
Norway: 15 people/km².
Sweden: 24 people/km².
Denmark: 134 people/km².
England: 430 people/km².

It's important, but it doesn't tell the full story on how people live.
In Iceland about 2/3 live in Reykjavik. The effective density is far higher.

 

[jasonbarron]

That remains to be seen, it’s not something that can be judged or give balanced comment on for at least a year or more. Once the numbers have returned to normal.
If normal mortality rates are down over the later half of the year or even over the next couple of years then you could analogise that they have just condensed the inevitable and are able to move on and recover more quickly.
We shall see later

That's a great point to make; this is a marathon, not a sprint. Personally I think that they're making the correct call.

 

[jasonbarron]

It's a pity that misconceptions about racial inequities have to get spun up around the pandemic, but it was of course inevitable:

PBS's Yamiche Alcindor mocked for confronting surgeon general over 'offensive' remarks appealing to minority groups

PBS White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindor was ridiculed after a bizarre exchange with Surgeon General Jerome Adams over his appeal to minority groups to stay healthy during the coronavirus outbreak.

www.foxnews.com

 

[jasonbarron]

I'd suggest anybody who wanted to look at this should probably start with population density.

For example:-

Iceland: 3 people/km².
Norway: 15 people/km².
Sweden: 24 people/km².
Denmark: 134 people/km².
England: 430 people/km².

I always thought that they had a few cities sprinkled about.

 

[Ian Skippy]

---never mind---

 

[jasonbarron]

Drives you crazy, doesn't it old friend? You just have to ask yourself: how much fun would this echo chamber of woke, anti american, communism masquerading as socialism be without good 'ol jasonbarron to challenge the paradigm?

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Notre Dame Cathedral reopens for special Good Friday service

After nearly a year since a fire ravaged France’s Notre Dame Cathedral, the iconic landmark is showing signs of recovery. A special Good Friday service was held inside the cathedral, but because Paris is still under lockdown, only seven people were in attendance and the ceremony was televised

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Good things are still happening.
What are you guys doing this Easter?

 

[Ian Skippy]

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Good things are still happening.
What are you guys doing this Easter?

Just learned it still is an official holiday. Will probably do some work anyway. Recovery is going super fast here but I doubt I'll be symptom-free tomorrow, so can't go outside for groceries on Monday just yet.

 

[metatheurgist]

That remains to be seen, it’s not something that can be judged or give balanced comment on for at least a year or more. Once the numbers have returned to normal.
If normal mortality rates are down over the later half of the year or even over the next couple of years then you could analogise that they have just condensed the inevitable and are able to move on and recover more quickly.
We shall see later

I think history (1918 pandemic) will repeat itself. And here's a less sold article that suggests economies that saves lives will do better than ones that don't.

 

[Patrick_68000]

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Good things are still happening.
What are you guys doing this Easter?

To stay in religion ...

The pope compares the dead caregivers to soldiers "dead at the front".

"Doctors, nurses, sisters, priests" who died fighting the coronavirus pandemic "died at the front like soldiers who gave their lives for love", Pope said on Friday on Rai1 television.

The Supreme Pontiff considered that these men and women joined the list of the "crucified in history". He spoke by telephone in a program dedicated to Good Friday, which commemorates the crucifixion and death of Jesus.

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[Robin of Spiritwood]

I think history (1918 pandemic) will repeat itself. And here's a less sold article that suggests economies that saves lives will do better than ones that don't.

Interesting thesis.
But obviously the lockdowns in 2020 are very much different to efforts in 1918, since the global structure of supply, the distribution network, delivery and communications etc are vastly different.

Our economic contraction is quite severe as a consequence. It's a long shot that the public health measures are somehow an economic benefit compared to an uncontrolled epidemic in the short term.
Long term might be different. Lots more residually ill or disabled, and dead means a smaller work force, slower population expansion at the base of the pyramid, and yes it might be much worse.

We may need to assign a "monetary value to a human life" to numerically weigh the benefit of defensive effort.
I feel that is less than ethical, normally. Now, we might have to.
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[Ian Skippy]

We may need to assign a "monetary value to a human life" to numerically weigh the benefit of defensive effort.
I feel that is less than ethical, normally. Now, we might have to.
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It's a normal thing in econometrics though, and has been supporting policy making for quite some time.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Second Life: Sterile Wrap Fashioned into Masks

An anesthesiology professor has developed masks from surgical tray wrap that cannot be penetrated by water or bacteria and block 99.9% of particles. Prototypes are underway.

www.healthcarepackaging.com

Got a package of this material from the supplier this am.
They have no CPAP masks, no Oxygen masks, no AMBU bag masks, no surgical masks, no N95 masks, etc.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

At least 550 sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, docked in Guam, have tested positive for COVID-19, the Navy reportedly announced on Saturday, with more than 100 tests coming back positive in the last 24 hours. The number is infections represents 75 percent of all infections across the U.S. Navy worldwide. It comes after the Navy admiral overseeing the aircraft carrier described the sailors on the ship as “struggling” and “upset” after the public firing of their captain, who was relieved of command...

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They STILL on board? Was there not an plan to decant at least the infected ones off?​

 

[Morbad]

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They STILL on board? Was there not an plan to decant at least the infected ones off?​

Apparently, they allowed untested crew to remain onboard, probably because there weren't enough who initially tested negative to maintain and clean the ship. They still aren't done testing.

 

[WhiteHaulerMan]

They STILL on board? Was there not an plan to decant at least the infected ones off?

And where exactly would you put them? Particularly whilst the ship's alongside in Guam of all places.

They're better off onboard where they've got access to decent food, sickbay and a proper medical team than stepping ashore and potentially dosing the whole island.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

And where exactly would you put them? Particularly whilst the ship's alongside in Guam of all places.

They're better off onboard where they've got access to decent food, sickbay and a proper medical team than stepping ashore and potentially dosing the whole island.

Why not ask the actual captain?

TR COVID 19 Assistance Request | DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

This is the plan in force:

Nearly 3,000 sailors will be taken off the USS Theodore Roosevelt by Friday, as the navy struggles to quarantine crew members in the face of an outbreak.

The sailors will be housed on Guam, a US territory, which has been the hardest hit place in the Pacific region by the Covid-19 outbreak, with 77 confirmed cases and three deaths. There are fears that health services in Guam will soon reach breaking point as the outbreak worsens.

You are right about Guam's capacity, for sure. Why did they pick that spot? Travel time to a better place maybe?
But they can't stay in the close quarters in a closed ventillation system with shared heads. The disease will inevitable hit everyone on board, and that's a strategic ship, not a cruise liner.

It's a pair of bad choices here, and yes, the people on Guam are at risk.

 

[Ian Skippy]

A Nimitz-class carrier can do 60km/hr or so. From Guam to mainland US (california) would take a week or so. Getting an infected ship to dock in a foreign country is tricky. Having your aircraft carrier incapacitated in another nation is less than ideal too.