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no additional cases or deaths.Police on "orange alert", and will be doing roadblocks and patrols to halt all traffic at nights, according to local news. There have been raids on a couple house parties.
Conditions are growing more severe locally, and do not seem to match the relatively low rates reported. 70 roadblocks every night on an island 50 miles wide seems like plenty.
I'm going to need to know where they are: the emergency work can't wait for roadblocks.
The government has set aside a hotel to quarantine all HC workers who get exposed. It's quite nice, with all amenities.
Manufacturing of some PPE elements has started locally.
They seem to be operating under the assumption that it's going to go south soon, but being prepped is always better.
So India just confirmed 8000 cases, and you know if they confirmed that many there are way more. First world nation with lots of 5G towers there.
It's awfully sporting of Boris to go to ICU for a week just to keep this hoax going, but you know it was fake 'cos he got better.
I have a cousin who was stationed there about five years ago during some major expansion/renovation. I don't have any idea about the actual support infrastructure for the port itself, but the base is a small city now.
This is the quarantine camp holding cruise ship passengers.
Located in Balandra, a seaside village.
Located in Balandra, a seaside village.
How many people are quarantined there?
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68 at last count.
3 tested positive, so they might get moved.
Worldwide, things are difficult, but maybe the Equador experience is the worst. Of all the things to fail, human body removal/storage/burial is one of the worst. Compare that to the situation here: the victims are alive, and hanging at the seaside where the air is fresh.
Edit: this may be of limited interest.
There's a doctor named Marik, who is well known in intensivist circles for publishing a paper on treating septic shock with vitamins.
He has good credentials, and reported conserving several lives by the unconventional approach. Anyway, he's offering a protocol for Covid teatment:
One of the interesting admonitions is "No bagging"
That refers to use of an Ambu bag to ventillate the case, a temporary measure. The Ambu bag vents exhaled air out into the room, so that's a viral plume. Instead, the reccomendation is to intubate fast, and connect to a ventilator. The exhalate will have to pass a filter, which is much safer.
That filter looks like this:
And it is the device used to improvise the respirator at Boston Children's Hospital seen here:
Surgical Innovation Fellowship | Boston Children's Hospital
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The inline filter is a great idea, but getting one now is impossible. Every ventillator part is being used to -- make more ventillators.
We can however improvise one with autoclave paper and a housing. But the stakes for failure of the part is high.
The local engineering team is in the news. These are the ones we've all been assisting.
COVID-19: UWI team to manufacture ventilators, medical equipment | Loop Trinidad & Tobago
A team from the UWI St. Augustine Faculty of Engineering has joined the fight against COVID-19, launching a project to locally manufacture medical equipment to protect the public, and frontline health workers. Campus Principal, Professor Brian Cop
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I have two years in the Navy, as a chief petty officer. I somehow don’t think my experience from a 60 crew mine sweeper will help much, so I have no comment about the carrier.
I have two years in the Navy, as a chief petty officer. I somehow don’t think my experience from a 60 crew mine sweeper will help much, so I have no comment about the carrier.
As for my expert opinion on carriers: obviously I am not an expert, nor did I claim to be. I am however able to source info and make rough estimates based on that. In this case the question was "why Guam?". My answer, based on what I could find, was that there is not much particularly good about Guam, but there are not real alternatives. Read for example the following: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-true-top-speed-of-a-USN-nuclear-aircraft-carrier
That is also what WHM here says: yes, you can obtain those speeds, but it will cause damage. If anyone has any counter arguments I am all ear, but until then I suspect my mundane layman answer is pretty much correct. And as always: I am happy to be proven wrong. This is no article if faith to me, merely of a topic of conversation.
As for why 'Europeans are suddenly interested in American warships': people on this planet are interested in outbreaks on big ships with many people onboard. It doesn't matter if it is a cruise ship under a Dutch flag in Indonesia or a warship under an American flag near Guam. It's an easy to grok micro version of a global crisis, with interesting scientific conclusions that can be derived from it. It'd be surprising if people were not interested in it.
For most, a pandemic is a global health topic, pretty much by definition. It is not a nationalistic political issue, and most people feel no need to check a flag before deciding whether to care or not about our fellow men.
That is also what WHM here says: yes, you can obtain those speeds, but it will cause damage. If anyone has any counter arguments I am all ear, but until then I suspect my mundane layman answer is pretty much correct. And as always: I am happy to be proven wrong. This is no article if faith to me, merely of a topic of conversation.
As for why 'Europeans are suddenly interested in American warships': people on this planet are interested in outbreaks on big ships with many people onboard. It doesn't matter if it is a cruise ship under a Dutch flag in Indonesia or a warship under an American flag near Guam. It's an easy to grok micro version of a global crisis, with interesting scientific conclusions that can be derived from it. It'd be surprising if people were not interested in it.
For most, a pandemic is a global health topic, pretty much by definition. It is not a nationalistic political issue, and most people feel no need to check a flag before deciding whether to care or not about our fellow men.
It seems that other soldiers have problems too.
On the aircraft carrier "Charles De Gaulle", 66 people have been tested and 50 are positive at Covid.
There are 1760 people on this boat that arrives this afternoon at the Toulon naval base.
All will be placed in quarantine and certainly all tested.
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I actually did one year in the naval academy, so I wasn’t an NCO.
Doing one year in the academy and one year active duty was a paying alternative to the mandatory 12-18 months, everyone had to do back then.
I had no plans for a millitary career, so I left after the two years. The money got me throug engineering school without a student loan, so it was a pretty good deal.
My active duty was in the 1st minesweeper squadron, aka the cocktail squadron. When you are the least scary sqadron in the navy, you need to have the best parties.
I was promoted to Ensign at discharge, so technically I’m an officer. I hope the navy has forgotten about that by now.
The Air Force has pretty much forgotten me. 
I dread to think of the readiness rates.
I dread to think of the readiness rates.
I know that professionals have been cautioning that a global pandemic could some day arise and that the nations of the world should all do more to prepare for it, but Dr. Fauci sure seems to be...oddly accurate with his prediction.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu2Ftcv6u3w&app=desktop
Not sure of the exact date Fauci gave that talk, but it seems logical to conclude that the administration he was talking about was the one currently in place.
Not sure of the exact date Fauci gave that talk, but it seems logical to conclude that the administration he was talking about was the one currently in place.
Nope, but over the last week or so I've been hearing a lot of ominous rumblings concerning Fauci that have lead me to looking at him in a different light completely. A link to that exchange, please.
Meanwhile, during the two weeks since the governor of my state waved his magic wand (quarantine order) and made us all invulnerable to the virus the fatality count has remained absolutely static at 6, while infections have climbed from 268 to approximately 325. Which wouldn't even make sense if we were all literally living in plastic bubbles...which hundreds of thousands of us aren't. At best the "shelter at home order" cut down on traffic by forty percent and economic activity by roughly the same. Beyond things being a bit "sluggish" there's plenty of people moving about to spread this virus, certainly enough to drive those numbers through the roof based on the accepted data emerging from other regions.
That doesn't equate to lizard men by any measure, but it certainly is pretty darn strange.
I have two years in the Navy, as a chief petty officer. I somehow don’t think my experience from a 60 crew mine sweeper will help much, so I have no comment about the carrier.
I'm sure you have some practical experience with regard to naval culture and operations, much of which would be transferable to many modern navies, which could be used to make relevant inferences.
The closest potential alternative that's in US waters is Pearl Harbor. Anyone who can look at a map can see that's a long way from Guam. So yeah.
I'm plenty interested in warships--American, Spanish, Japanese, German, Soviet...Vorlon--all fascinating.
Should be better equipped to handle it.
Isn't that the largest naval base in Europe?
The Air Force has pretty much forgotten me.
One of the many reasons why I've never served is because I'm fairly convinced that once they have you they never really let you go.
It seems that other soldiers have problems too.
On the aircraft carrier "Charles De Gaulle", 66 people have been tested and 50 are positive at Covid.
There are 1760 people on this boat that arrives this afternoon at the Toulon naval base.
All will be placed in quarantine and certainly all tested.
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Not a surprise.
The problem will tend to occur on any ship with many people in close proximity. Passenger aircraft being an even worse thing. Also true of ground mass transit.
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Not 'oddly accurate' but simply stating the obvious. The odds of outbreaks of novel zoonosis are so high Obama had a special session with Trump's transition team about exactly this. It is why under the previous administration structural investments were made (which, unfortunately, were undone by the current). In case you didn't notice (it's not that commonly mentioned due to COVID19): last month there was a new case of a Hentavirus in China (4 death, for now), and this week it was announced that in Africa new cases of Ebola were found. 2020 will bring more.
This is simply not a 'one day something might happen' story, and no amount of freeware after-effects can make his speech anything other than what it was: stating the obvious. The speech was januari 2017, when Trump was president elect so the full four years to go. Bush jr had SARS in the US. Obama had Ebola. Reagan had the AIDS crisis. And these are just the 'trendy' ones. A month before fauci's speech a comprehensive review of zoonosis in the US was published:
COVID19 is particularly crappy. But the odds of going through a presidency with zero incidents of surprise zoonosis are next to zero. Which is such an obvious thing to say that when Fauci made these public remarks nobody batted an eye. This isn't a leaked tape of a secret Fauci confession from his evil Lair; this is the opening statement of a recorded public speech from someone who spend his live fighting zoonosis. Zoonosis is just one of the things a leader of a superpower is going to have to deal with to some extent, and that is why entire departments are created to help the president do just that.
As I said earlier: right-wing has been targeting Fauci for a while now, and he will be scapegoated soon to appease the scientifically illiterate and to shift the blame away from the administration. That clip is just one more drop in the ocean of warnings that were ignored: Fauci, CDC, US intelligence, WHO, the previous administration: all warned the current administration. As always, partisan tribalism fuels policy more than evidence-based reason. Fauci has had a stellar career, serving the American people, and by extension all of humanity, tirelessly in the fight against all kinds of diseases. To attack him for such seemingly banal political reasons is a disservice to his efforts, his accomplishments, the American people and civilization at large.
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