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Thanks for the fixes guys! I didn't have the cleanliness problem thankfully, but my old franchise zoo crashed while loading every time after the big update and now I can play it again, so that's great! :D

On the other hand I found something that causes a crash for me every time I try it: as soon as I click on the slider to sell ice cream hats the game closes. Already submitted it to the tracker as well.

 
So after some testing, the new update seems to help the crashing a bit. I can actually play now, for about 15 minutes at a time with 3-5 minute freezes in between. Still really frustrating but at least I can play now -- before the update it was frozen for 15 minutes and running for 3-5 so this is better. Maybe that can help figure out the root cause?
 
Llama coat variations?

We have been told they are working on coat variations for some animals. I wouldn't expect the llama to make the cut in the first wave, since the demand was there for wolves and lions first, as well as the animals with coat patterns (zebras, tigers, giraffes, etc.). I would expect coat variations to make an appearance in a major update, though. Maybe 1.3 or something. These in-between updates seem to be more for minor fixes than major feature additions.
 
They aren't working on it.

They are "looking into the possibilities", which is not the same.
People are really expecting it, while nothing is confirmed as actually coming to the game.
 
Just for expectations' sake: new coat and pattern variations are not be in this week's update; we are looking into future possibilities to add more variations based on the discussion in this thread, but this will need some dev time.

Quick sidenote: pattern variations (Zebras, Giraffes, etc.) are in-game, they are based on genetics. Just like in real life, a juvenile will take patterns from its parents; if you've bred large herds, this could mean some repetitive patterns. We do want to look into adding more pattern variation; this would be a matter of our code team making a few changes so that there will be more individual patterns visible. We understand from the feedback here that this will make the game even more enjoyable, so that's something we're happy to look into.

Coat variations will also be addressed; this is a bigger change (as there's quite a few animals) so this will take time, but we hope that will make the animals feel more individualistic and realistic!

We will likely make these changes in a batch (so multiple animals at once), which might delay the date we're able to implement that into the game based on workload and team availability. Please let this be the clear answer that we have taken this feedback to heart!

I bookmarked the comment, this was the original post in the coat variations discussion.

We'd all like coat variations. I don't think comments like "Llama coat variations?" are that helpful. (Really don't think a DLC animal will be among the first ones)
I think "looking into possibilities/coat variations will be addressed" is a good answer to this.

Some people said it's an easy job to do. Really depends on the feature.
Adding 4 different colours (and just only that) could be relatively easier.

But having pattern regions to also set up future variations for other animals, could be a big effort.
I play Ark Survival Evolved and the colour schemes are very diverse.
Just an example how this works for their wolf (only have to scroll down a bit and the red colour designates the region)
https://ark.gamepedia.com/Direwolf
The wolf has only 3 regions but other animals have all 6 regions with variations.


Atm, I think the crashes should be big concern for this moment. ChicagoZohan mentioned it a couple of times but on different platforms seen multiple comments about this as well. (Don't experience these crashes myself but the game does feel more sluggish after the last 2 updates)
 
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The game still crashes/freezes in Francise after a few minutes. In addition with the connction issiues, its not playable to me.
 

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I bookmarked the comment, this was the original post in the coat variations discussion.

We'd all like coat variations. I don't think comments like "Llama coat variations?" are that helpful. (Really don't think a DLC animal will be among the first ones)
I think "looking into possibilities/coat variations will be addressed" is a good answer to this.

Some people said it's an easy job to do. Really depends on the feature.
Adding 4 different colours (and just only that) could be relatively easier.

But having pattern regions to also set up future variations for other animals, could be a big effort.
I play Ark Survival Evolved and the colour schemes are very diverse.
Just an example how this works for their wolf (only have to scroll down a bit and the red colour designates the region)
https://ark.gamepedia.com/Direwolf
The wolf has only 3 regions but other animals have all 6 regions with variations.


Atm, I think the crashes should be big concern for this moment. ChicagoZohan mentioned it a couple of times but on different platforms seen multiple comments about this as well. (Don't experience these crashes myself but the game does feel more sluggish after the last 2 updates)

Yup, the coat variations update is still coming, however it's a big job so as stated before it'll take a few months as we want to do a big batch rather than smaller iterations.

As for the crashes, Chanté also mentioned in her posts that 1.2.4 is on its way and we're investigating all crashes with high priority! Keep reporting on Issue Tracker or via WatchDog if you have freezes - that really is the best way to help us identify issues :)

Hope everyone is staying safe <3
 
Had my fingers crossed for a sneaky fix to the albino Dall Sheep... alas, it's still a problem, and has been since the DLC launch in December.
Link to explanation on the issue tracker here: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/14010

Thank you for the update, but please don't forget about the Dall Sheep <3

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They aren't working on it.

They are "looking into the possibilities", which is not the same.
People are really expecting it, while nothing is confirmed as actually coming to the game.
it was confirmed in the livestreams before the game was released, that this would be in the game ;)
 
it was confirmed in the livestreams before the game was released, that this would be in the game ;)

And it is, but not in the scale people expected. (Look 5 posts above this one).
I said it before, I'd be happy for the people who want them, if they come.
 
Yup, the coat variations update is still coming, however it's a big job so as stated before it'll take a few months as we want to do a big batch rather than smaller iterations.

Will it affect even already existing animals? Is actually possible to change the colors of animal we aready have in the game? That would be cool
 
Will it affect even already existing animals? Is actually possible to change the colors of animal we aready have in the game? That would be cool

Not to speak for Bo or any of the other community managers, but it probably won't automatically add variation to animals you have already placed in your zoo. Future offspring or animals off the market, however, would probably have the chance to appear with varying colours and/or patterns. At least, that is what I would assume.
 
Tbh, I understand the frustration for the missing variety in Llamas. Coat variations were teased in base game before launch but not in it. We showed patience. They said it will take time. We showed patience. They recieved feedback, than added an animal with HUGE coat variation in RL in a paid DLC and it only comes in white. Seriously, I don't get why they don't tackle feedback in paid content first. If they wouldn't want color variations, the Guanaco would have been an alternative for the Llama.

I know the Devs work hard. I appreciate they react to feedback and I said several times now that they did a very very good job with the free update. But with the llamas they dropped the ball and as cute as the white fluff is, the missing variations in the Llama is way more annoying than the one in wolves. I would appreciate if they include feedback they already got in paid content before release.
 
Coat variations were teased in base game before launch but not in it. We showed patience. They said it will take time. We showed patience. They recieved feedback, than added an animal with HUGE coat variation in RL in a paid DLC and it only comes in white. Seriously, I don't get why they don't tackle feedback in paid content first. If they wouldn't want color variations, the Guanaco would have been an alternative for the Llama.

Yes, they teased it. But they thought, hmm this few variations we now have in the base game should be enough.
Nobody at Frontier expected high demanding customers that want 1.000.000 variations.

Why doesn't the llama have more variations? It's not base game, and people wanted more in the base game, and that's where the code for it needs to be adjusted.

I'm sure this is a coding thing which will have an influence on all animals, and the update that will bring the variations people want will probably apply to all animals. They said they wanted to do the entire thing in one update. So the llama will most likely have it's variations with that update as well.

It's a feature that is not entirely in the game at the moment and needs to be added through a patch. But the llama can not have what you want if the game itself isn't patched yet with the functionality you want.
 
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It's pretty easy. Yes, they teased it. But they thought, hmm this few variations we now have should be enough.
Nobody at Frontier expected high demanding customers that want 1.000.000 variations.
Ah well, we know you and I disagree on what was teased in the content before launch and had a long discussion about it, if it was teased or now. We won't find a base on this topic. It's fine that we disagre and in my opinion no need to exaggerate what players with an interest in realism and variety want. Plus, as I said, with the llamas there would have been a pretty good work-around without making the missing feature even more obvious. Adding only one color / white Lamas was giving fuel to the fire.
 
Ah well, we know you and I disagree on what was teased in the content before launch and had a long discussion about it, if it was teased or now. We won't find a base on this topic. It's fine that we disagre and in my opinion no need to exaggerate what players with an interest in realism and variety want. Plus, as I said, with the llamas there would have been a pretty good work-around without making the missing feature even more obvious. Adding only one color / white Lamas was giving fuel to the fire.

There are no factual numbers of what was promised, so in the end it will still all come down to what a person thinks of it for their own.
I think 3 variations per animal would be enough, while somebody else would say: no 12!

Regarding this subject, I can already tell, even with whatever the devs add when it comes to coat variation, there will always be people that say it's not enough. (You might be happy with a few, while others will not). (this actually applies to anything they add)

The coat variations update is still coming, however it's a big job so as stated before it'll take a few months as we want to do a big batch rather than smaller iterations.
This actually just says why the Llama's have no variations. It'll come all in one patch.

I'm definitely interested in seeing their solution to this. And the reactions from the forum, just because some of them are funny and unreasonable (not you).
 
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They can't make it magically appear, they said they are working on it and it is coming in a future update due to how it works. I wonder what else people want. Yes, it would have been nice to have different llamas right away, but then people would have complained that the llama got variations before the base game animals and so on. I rather have the white fluff balls for a while instead of not having any llamas until this update comes.
 
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