Some surprising but positive news from the Netherlands. Data of the first 16 weeks of 2020 (til April 17th) are in: compared with the same period last year total number of companies declaring bankruptcy is almost identical; one less than last year. While it is expected it will rise throughout the year, the financial policies aimed at safeguarding jobs seems to work surprisingly well compared with some other countries. Very positive!
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Thats the thing with different lvls of information...
a) afaik, WHO started to put out notifications, guidelines etc around 5th Jan ( before Virus was even isolated ) ;
b) NOONE ( meaning no country ), less those who actually are WHO members and have national specialists embedded into WHO all the time (CDC for example ) can reasonably claim to only have heard about this when WHO declared the HIGHEST State of emergency ;
c) Germany first domestic case ( not community spread, was infected by a businessperson from China ) was confirmed 26th Jan., reported depending on source 27th or 28th of Jan . This first domestic cluster ( more people did get infected, iirc 14 in total ) for all we know got effectively shut down How ? By having listened, and having prepared ! I have reported on this a few times in this thread already, off the top of my head : Over 140 contacts of that man ( who has been put in quarantine immediately ) have been traced, and tested . Of those ( iirc, the cluster was 14 in total ) who tested positive, THEIR contacts got traced and tested . The company, Webasto, shut down the 1k people facilty on 28th of Jan...reopened 2 weeks later . Again, for all we know, this cluster effectively got shut down .
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So no . The WHO did not do too little, too late . The WHO did what they did, and those who DID listen and pay attention ( even before the declaration of highest State of emergency ) had a clue, were prepared, knew what had to be done when first domestic case(s) popped up . But of those who did simply IGNORE what WHO advised ( like say "TESTESTEST; Trace EVERY contact ) for weeks on end even after the declaration of highest concern, some try to blame WHO now, in the course intentionally mudding the water to make it harder for people to see through their blamegame .
Really, watch the q&a of the briefing from yesterday .
p.s.: CoV -2 is on track to kick 2009/2010 H1N1 "Swine Flu"'s butt - by a boatload .
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Not sure about Germany, but usually in the beginning only the cases needed special medical care (pneumonia) with traceable contacts from China (or from other hot zones) were tested (and their direct contacts)
Now, how many cases are requiring medical care? 10%? 15%? For each pneumonia case identified we could have 10 or more with only a sore throat and a running nose.
Asymptomatic cases and mild cases (flu like) went under the radar for quite some time.
I repeat, i'm not blaming WHO.
But they were several steps behind... or better said several weeks if not more.
Guess we will eventually get back to China and maybe we will find out that their first cases were not mid November, but earlier.
Not sure tho - their control over information is quite efficient.
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And I keep repeating, no they were not . I keep saying, listen to their briefings, the things we dicsuss here are being talked about openly in these briefings through media questions, and following answers by Dr. van Kerkhoeve, Dr. Ryan and Dr. Tedros . It would be much better to simply hear what they say instead of relying on me pasing my understanding on, or relying on "media", who can almost never be trusted to NOT be biassed in one way or another .
What I have written in response to questionlines like the one opened up in dialogue with you now, is not my opinion, or fabrication . I simply listened to what WHO says, and by that, I understood that almost any accusation levied against them is simply...baseless . Too many people do not really know how WHO is organized, how they work, what legal frameworks guide and restrict their workings . Also people have a lot of misunderstandings about the Virus, the Pandemic, the timeline etc .
And it is not like they can simply fabricate their Statements . It is also not that they are not accountable for their statements and/or actions . It ALL is on record . They are highly engaged in dialogue with govnernments, medical, societal communities, provide information and discussion hubs and forums on a plethora of Issues, are under control of their memberstates and UN...etc...etc .
If anyone, the U.N would and should be the first to critsize WHO...since WHO is basically UN's departement of health .
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I think these were sold as mine detectors previously!
Bizarrely, and I’ll have to look to find it, but apparently the uk waterboard employ dowsers to this day.
Ed: quick look = https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...t-using-divining-rods-to-find-leaks-and-pipes
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The french authorities last night strongly advised not to start smoking again or to buy nicotine patches.You might be interested in this then:
French researchers to test nicotine patches on coronavirus patients
Study – which stresses serious health risks of smoking – suggest substance in tobacco may lower risk of getting coronaviruswww.theguardian.com
... now if only we could actually afford the price of a pack of cigs a day.
The use of nicotine must be supervised by medicine and for the moment no proof of its effectiveness has been proven said the french government.
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They also have sniffer dogs to find leaks
True story
Twitter blocks tweets on conspiracy theories linking pandemic to 5G
Twitter to suppress messages encouraging 'harmful activity', in particular calls to destroy 5G relay antennas after conspiracy theories linking this new technology to the spread of the new coronavirus.
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Twitter to suppress messages encouraging 'harmful activity', in particular calls to destroy 5G relay antennas after conspiracy theories linking this new technology to the spread of the new coronavirus.
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We all want to believe. We know there is a large risk of getting tricked, so we try to be skeptical, but when we stumble upon that Youtube video with some well made ghost, that MIGHT actually look like the real deal, a struggle between healthy skepticism and our desire to realize (or even discover) something miraculous begins. That struggle is often won by the not so rational desire, and the ghost becomes so real that we can almost touch it.
In these days, where thé giant taboo (death) has become a part of everyday life, one way to rid the anxiety becomes being part of something bigger, like a nation or a culture. Like the "ghost believers". For many people that is the closest they get immortality. Identity through being part of something bigger that will exist after they (we) kick the bucket. The more scared people are, the easier it becomes for irrational thoughts to overrule the rational ones. Sounds slightly absurd I know, but this is actually one of the more well backed up theories in psychology (called TMT).
A hypocritical way for elites to minimize the mortality and the lack of medical resources.The United Kingdom
UK coronavirus deaths more than double official figure, according to FT study | Free to read
FT estimate has been updated to reflect latest mortality trendswww.ft.com
In France, they count the dead in hospitals and in retirement homes. But how many deaths at home ? They say it will take several months to know and consolidate the balance sheets, most certainly much higher than the 21,856 official deaths to date.
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Clear mind is a state that can be trained . And no, I do not mean Scientology . Rather stuff along the lines of Meditation and the such .
Friend of mine said something interesting yesterday . In his opinion, most people in "western" societies are/were well aware most of the time that a lot of what we are being told is lies and deceit, but they do/did not mind and care much, because "I have this, and that, and can go on vacation 3times a year, andandand..."...kindof like Opium for the masses, many blinded or numbed to reality really by illusions of comfort .
This time, people get personally affected . The have been put on cold turkey . No vacaction. No bars and pubs . Even haircuts cancelled ! And suddenly, the denial stops working . Well known first reactions : disbelief, dissonance, panic .
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A good tip to save.
One day you use one side of the sheet and the next day the other side.
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I was sick in November and December of last year, and so were may of my co-workers.
So, another bit of anecdotal.
So, another bit of anecdotal.
Yes that virus messes with the taboos, even toilet humor, one of my personal favorites. Watching all those people carrying all that stupid toilet paper, is poison to a wicked mind like mineA good tip to save.
One day you use one side of the sheet and the next day the other side.
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It's been a while. I've been doing Covid-19 related government work. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Holy smoke. If I was the tin foil type, my head would have exploded
We're still in for the treat. Right now, less than 5% of the pandemic is done with, meaning that we still face almost all of it. It'll take a while, depending on how fast we open up again. I think we'll go for ASAP, meaning that the attack rate (the part of the population that gets infected) will be 80-90%. Yeehaw! It will cost millions of lives, but it'll save some of the Dow, and thereby also many lives.
I used to say that one day around 2050 Mother Nature would swing her iron fist. She will, but right now she's telling us who's in charge, with a gentle slap. Interesting times indeed.
I was sick in November and December of last year, and so were may of my co-workers.
So, another bit of anecdotal.
Probably "just a flu" ? XD
Awww, go on, try usI've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Holy smoke. If I was the tin foil type, my head would have exploded
Well let me put it like this: Once the crap hits the fan, the old debate about deontology vs utilitarianism fades. And of course it does, even though it's nasty decisions. It can be no other way. That's how reality works. You can't use your gut feeling about right or wrong in a situation like this. I must say that I have generally been impressed by the things I saw, but I now know that we (the people) aren't always told what the big ones mean is best for us, and by us they mean the country. Nobody gives a flying duck about any individual, unless you're one of a very few people. Can't say I was really that surprised, but once you get a glimpse of the bridge, it's a lot more pragmatic than I would have imagined. No great conspiracy or plans about world domination. Just a lot colder than I thought.Awww, go on, try us
Well, it looks like most people suffering from COVID-19 already have two or more other conditions.
www.foxnews.com
Sadly, it doesn't look like I'll be seeing my elderly parents any time soon :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
Nearly all NY coronavirus patients suffered underlying health issue, study finds
A new study by a medical journal revealed that most of the people in New York City who were hospitalized due to coronavirus had one or more underlying health issues.
www.foxnews.com
Sadly, it doesn't look like I'll be seeing my elderly parents any time soon :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
My mom, a nurse for over forty years, died in 2010. She would be sad to see this.Well, it looks like most people suffering from COVID-19 already have two or more other conditions.
Nearly all NY coronavirus patients suffered underlying health issue, study finds
A new study by a medical journal revealed that most of the people in New York City who were hospitalized due to coronavirus had one or more underlying health issues.
Sadly, it doesn't look like I'll be seeing my elderly parents any time soon :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(
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