So you thought I would take offense? That's funny.
And I'm pro-PvP and pro-Open by the way. That is my side. I'm against Open Only.
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Tired of the Open vs. Private Debacle
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And I'm pro-PvP and pro-Open by the way. That is my side. I'm against Open Only.
Fair enough lol
Those of us with the same outlook should be used to it by now...
I saw it as ST4RDUST '4' not 'A'... but, I'm sure you saw that too... lol
I did. Ya never know what the spelling differences between in game and the forum are.
And?
Many is not most, and these are people who opted into a mode who are then complaining about one of the disadvantages of that mode.
It's no different than the people who play in open but complain they don't want pvp. There are options, mobius is a good one, complaining that your choice had a predictable consequence is a bad one.
Which assumes that different powerplay effects can be had in different game modes, maybe a multiplayer, but people can log off and switch at whim. So a technical problem to solve a problem whose root is the perceptions of some subset of the total player base. I think the devs can safely skip that.
Some do, others are just after blue-haired space princess and her shields.
This is your valuation, not an objective fact. Others apparently do like their powerplay. I didn't mind moving large quantities of items, or paying for them, and I managed it in open. Now I prefer the shooting method of advancement. You are making overbroad generalizations.
Nope, it makes those elements, elements for the people interested in experiencing them, just like all the rest of the game.
If this is true, then your target audience for your change is tiny, which should underline the need to prevent the minority dictating to the majority. I suspect you don't actually have any data to back that assumption though.
They are perfectly equal. They all have access to the same tools. Some are choosing to take a more difficult road. That's fine, but no basis to change the rules for others.
If you can make powerplay open only, how can you stop open pve only? Your arguments are all emotional appeals and can be applied in either direction.
This is content free flower language. Everyone demonstrably is equal right now.
There is a timer to act against combat logging. I'm in favor of extending it.
Blah blah, good switch. You are talking about people being disciplined by an adult, not equivilent, and situations where someone may not want to lose a competition, or where an authority figure disciplines them, both situations the individual must consent to be in.
Thing is this was about consent, not the shifted definition. So my bad for not always using the word consent, and your bad for reacting as if we were not talking about consent.
Here is the quote of yours I was responding to.
Now I had already said having only openworld pvp means consent happens at play start. So its disengenious to act as if I didn't. Regardless we agree on that, in games with no private group or solo options. In ED consent happens at login to Open.
The point of contention is your belittling of the value of consent, apparently because it's a videogame.
That's still crap. It's the same tribalistic higher valuation of one human than another I called you on pages back.
I teach my children to be both more honest than this and better critical thinkers.
As for my personal success, no need to fear. I'm quite successful.
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I belittle the value of consent in video games, yes. Because you're operating inside the parameters already established by the game developer. The game mechanics aren't being broken, and you've chosen to play the game. As soon as you've engaged in the game, you've consented to the full parameters set by the game. Any additional personal metrics of right and wrong, outside of exploits, are only valuable from an RP motivation perspective.
So the idea that there's some additional moral layer with consent within the game mechanics is trash and should be discarded as such.
This is my side too. Yes to Open, yes to PVP, yes to optional opt in so everyone there should want to be there and does consent to be there.
Excellent game design.
At best you have to be arguing for a use of the word consent here that is different from the one we both agreed on.
If we agree that consent occurs on login or in ED case, login to Open, then that is the consent you switch to belittling.
I'm belittling the value of consent in video games because the discussion is redundant, due to the fact that because you've agreed to play, you've consented. So the entire topic for this medium is nothing but a straw man.
You forgot the "Git Gud"...
That's a problem.
But to be fair, most of the PvPers nowadays made their peace with the modes.
Some are still hard-core open only, but I'd wager they are the minority.
Modes have their merit.
I'd love incentives for open play, but the modes itself are brilliant.
Stop being factual, BM, it'll upset the "Hard-Core" player
If I define the term, and we agree, it's not a strawman. Now you are arguing with some imaginary person who isn't here.
In ED, consent to PVP happens on login to Open, arguably to private group too but that's thornier.
We agreed on this.
Trying to remove the other modes removes that consent, we agreed on this. You said you don't want them removed.
So where has consent suddenly become a strawman? It's an important part of all human interaction, on or off a telecommunications device, even if the device is a videogame.
I'm arguing against the topic being used as a metric at all because it's resolved on login. It's just moving the discussion to an unnecessary topic that some people will flame over.
Except people, on this very thread, have argued for removing consent by forcing play in open.
That's extremely relavent.
It doesn't remove consent. Consent remains the login screen.
I've argued that the game should provide the player mechanics to avoid what they want to avoid via smart gameplay decisions. But decisions should have consequences in the game, regardless of what it is.
Decisions do have consequences. However currently ED consent happens at the selection of Open, not at login.
If Open is forced then people who could play while opting out of PVP would have that option removed. That would be compulsion, play with pvp or don't play at all. Which is the removal of consent.
So consent remains a very important aspect of this conversation.