General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Leper Messiah]

Just stumbled across something I can not believe I have not seen yet ( yes I KNOW how THAT sounds XD ) .

Take a look at Thomas Pueyo on medium.com .
His work "Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance" is a must read .

Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

What the Next 18 Months Can Look Like, if Leaders Buy Us Time

medium.com

bejaysus those "do nothing" stats.....I just people would understand how bad this could be (and still may be)

 

[lysan]

At the start of this I said the only thing that would save the USA was the low mortality rate. Imagine if it was 10% or even 5% and not less than one. Guess I was right and not just attacking America. I didn't need a mathematical model to predict that one.

During all this some of the stats gained more angry citizens due to the draconian laws and behaviors some of these governors demonstrated, don’t know about the city, but here out in the rural part of the country if you didn’t hate the government some people is pumped at this point.

that’s where I say, “it’s alright partner, I told you so” walking away chuckling

 

[Patrick_68000]

I takes a certain measure of strength to face reality . Once you took a glimpse, there is no going back . To keep going requires what Rocky Balboa describes very apt :

“Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.[...]”

So true.

The life is wonderful but also ruthless.

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[Patrick_68000]

Thankfully we can rely on the scientists to lead us down the correct path...
Ohh
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...m-sage-after-breaking-lockdown-rules-11983702

There is a saying that says :

"Do what I say, not what I do"

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[Robin of Spiritwood]

The US has imported millions of low-quality masks that don't block virus particles enough, putting lives at risk

A federal lab found that 60% of the imported N95- and KN95-style masks they tested failed to block out 95% of particles.

www.businessinsider.com

Counterfeit substandard gear, an international problem. Watch what you buy.

Rely on simpler methods:stay out of trouble, avoid crowds, wash hands as primary prevention. Masks don't reliably protect you.

Down here, piles of pedestrians can be seen with white moulded masks suddenly. Where did they come from? 3M? Ha, no.
In any case, the average person wears them wrongly. Won't make a difference if they work or not.

Edit:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

More of a trademark violation and price gouging issue in this report. Neither of those affect consumer survival. What was the quality of the product? Honestly, if they are doing a safe mask, and getting a good price, that is just capitalism and it is fine. They are also saving people, along the way.

 

[Patrick_68000]

A new Banksy drawing titled "Game Changer", honoring caregivers on the front line of the coronavirus epidemic, has been hung on the walls of Southampton General Hospital in the south of England.

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[Shinji Ikari]

I takes a certain measure of strength to face reality . Once you took a glimpse, there is no going back . To keep going requires what Rocky Balboa describes very apt :

“Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward.[...]”

I agree, even Edward Witten would get a headache looking at this:

Spoiler: You were warned

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Shi Zhengli the "batwoman" virologist from the Wuhan lab is reported missing.

 

[6xes]

The US has imported millions of low-quality masks that don't block virus particles enough, putting lives at risk

A federal lab found that 60% of the imported N95- and KN95-style masks they tested failed to block out 95% of particles.

www.businessinsider.com

Counterfeit substandard gear, an international problem. Watch what you buy.

Rely on simpler methods:stay out of trouble, avoid crowds, wash hands as primary prevention. Masks don't reliably protect you.

Down here, piles of pedestrians can be seen with white moulded masks suddenly. Where did they come from? 3M? Ha, no.
In any case, the average person wears them wrongly. Won't make a difference if they work or not.

Edit:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

More of a trademark violation and price gouging issue in this report. Neither of those affect consumer survival. What was the quality of the product? Honestly, if they are doing a safe mask, and getting a good price, that is just capitalism and it is fine. They are also saving people, along the way.

I saw a whitehouse administration press breifing where they spoke about the inadequecy of Masks and other donated items to battle the Covid 19 problem...
Administration thus saw it fit to produce their own masks(U.S made).. and not rely on second rate masks(donated from other countries).... this of course come as a result of the decisions from leadership within the US administration and the need coming from the health professionals!!
It does highlight one thing.... and that is U.S is taking its future into its own hands and not relying upon the Lameduck W.H.O

 

[6xes]

Shi Zhengli the "batwoman" virologist from the Wuhan lab is reported missing.

Im curious, based on all your expertise and logical thinking..
......is there a conspiracy going on regarding covid 19/China Lab made or is this simply a random event and nature is simply to blame??

 

[Stealthie]

....and we've got a country where scientists who say the wrong thing disappear.
It's probably inevitable, in those circumstances, that people might choose to voice a different opinion in public to what they think in private.

Shi Zhengli the "batwoman" virologist from the Wuhan lab is reported missing.

You couldn't make this poop up.

 

[Morbad]

It's going to be difficult to applay any transparency to this.

We've got, allegedly, a leaked report where a bunch of chinese scientists were voicing their concerns to each other and we've got a country where scientists who say the wrong thing disappear.
It's probably inevitable, in those circumstances, that people might choose to voice a different opinion in public to what they think in private.

I'm not expecting any transparency from China, but the relevant research was published well before Shanghai started on damage control.

We have a virus (BatCoV RaTG13) that is closely related enough for SARS-CoV-2 to have possibly been it's evolutionary origin, but nothing to suggest it's escaped from a lab.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

The scientific concensus is clear, it is a zoonotic virus.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

I saw a whitehouse administration press breifing where they spoke about the inadequecy of Masks and other donated items to battle the Covid 19 problem...
Administration thus saw it fit to produce their own masks(U.S made).. and not rely on second rate masks(donated from other countries).... this of course come as a result of the decisions from leadership within the US administration and the need coming from the health professionals!!
It does highlight one thing.... and that is U.S is taking its future into its own hands and not relying upon the Lameduck W.H.O

In the report the masks in question were imported.

3M has doubled its output of the US made ones, but the requirement exceeds the output, it seems. Having safe ones is very important in dangerous hospital situations, whatever the source. Considering that, making our own supplies at good quality is a new requirement for every country now.

W.H.O. does not make masks to my knowledge. The US is on its own course indeed, and so far it has been pretty bad. 4% of the world population but 1/3 of the cases, is a disaster.
Hoping the virus changes quickly to a better form so it can end.

......is there a conspiracy going on regarding covid 19/China Lab made or is this simply a random event and nature is simply to blame??

I do not know enough virology to give you a certain answer myself. Accidental leak is possible. There is some evidence against the CCP regarding cover ups, but not intentional use of any bio agent.

Edit: new unverified info, please see post below?

 

[metatheurgist]

You couldn't make this poop up.

People being disappeared in China is a Tuesday, unfortunately.

 

[metatheurgist]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/covid19-parties-lead-to-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-in-washington-state/news-story/43375b3e838f26383495f3925912f569


Chinese agents are now deliberately planning covid parties for young Americans.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

We have a virus (BatCoV RaTG13) that is closely related enough for SARS-CoV-2 to have possibly been it's evolutionary origin, but nothing to suggest it's escaped from a lab.

That was the info I had up to a couple hours ago.

The 2 viruses share an Envelope protein, designated the E protein.
Both RaTG13 and Sars Cov 2 from Wuhan in January have the exact same structure and exact same -

-Redacted-

Cannot verify source, but suggestion is that E protein is transplanted gene into the Sars Cov 2 virus, because of zero gene drift.

 

[Synkreto]

Some Links...

Possible Bat Origin of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2

Possible Bat Origin of SARS-CoV-2

wwwnc.cdc.gov

The following has been rattled by Dr. Fauci being actviely blocked(!) by The White House to testify . Talk about censorship ?

Someone said ""The House is a setup, the House is a bunch of [...]haters. They put every [...]hater on the committee, the same old stuff. They frankly want our situation to be unsuccessful which means death, which means death. And our situation's going to be very successful," .

COVID-19 Response

appropriations.house.gov

[May 6, 2020]

"As the number of countries beating COVID-19 keeps increasing, it is getting harder and harder to support the idea that winning against COVID isn't possible. "
Derrick VanGennep @DerrickVanGenn2


"How can a country that has required you to take your shoes off at airport security for a 2001 foiled attempt without a single person hurt ......
be the same one that has no systematic plan to address >73,000 Americans dead, >1.2 million confirmed cases?"
Eric Topol

 

[Synkreto]

And Sweden is surprised by the high death toll...

International

The latest news from International on Business Insider

www.businessinsider.com.au

Acc. Mr. Tegnell, an unproportionally high number of Deaths came from nursing and care homes, and “We really thought our elderly homes would be much better at keeping this disease outside of them then they have actually been .”

Yeah .

You let all the asymptomatic carriers mingle and mix, day in day out, for weeks as if nothing is to worry about . You dont have the testing and tracing in place to find/isolate the myriad of asymptomatic carriers . You do NOT have the rapid diagnsotic tests to have every member of staff in a nursing/Care home tested and get results within a few mins before the start of a shift . What did he think would happen ? A Miracle ? Invisible shield around the facilities ? Staff naturally immune ?

edit: corrcting the quote from Mr. Tegnell to what it says in linked article .

 

[Ian Skippy]

Local news: in the Netherlands testing capacity is still ramping up. Starting next month everyone with symptoms can be tested.

Comparisons between Belgium and the Netherlands lead to predictable conclusions: Netherlands have slightly higher mortality, Belgium has slightly worse economies. Especially unemployment in the Netherlands is looking good: predicted to peak a little under 6%, with half the lost jobs back within 12 months.

All of the above presuming there wo t be a major 2nd wave.