God lord that’s wishful thinking. There is no way in hell they will leave the game open for mods by the community. The real reason single player was abandoned was to stop it being pirated. Braben has form for that. Even Frontier Elite would ask you to input text from the manual as a form of copy protection!
What level of compromise are VR players willing to temporarily accept in Odyssey?
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God lord that’s wishful thinking. There is no way in hell they will leave the game open for mods by the community. The real reason single player was abandoned was to stop it being pirated. Braben has form for that. Even Frontier Elite would ask you to input text from the manual as a form of copy protection!
I tihnk the best option would be to just lock off disembarking if using a VR headset. I would accept that. I dont really want to walk around or engage in FPS combat. Flying/driving on an atmospheric planet thoguh would be awesome. Just let us keep the VR experience we currently have.
I never counted on roomscale and motion controls for on-foot portions of the game, so I'd be fine using a mouse and keyboard and nothing more complicated than the image going into our headsets correctly. I always imagined it'd be similar to Subnautica, and they wouldn't do the effort that NMS's devs put into things.
Which is fine, it'd be our own choice whether to use that form of VR for on-foot gameplay. I've done it in other FPS's, it's not really a problem and I don't need special controls or fancy VR-controller stuff for it.
Which is fine, it'd be our own choice whether to use that form of VR for on-foot gameplay. I've done it in other FPS's, it's not really a problem and I don't need special controls or fancy VR-controller stuff for it.
What I am talking about is opening a door for a paid update (or part of one) that works with VR.
As for the clip, it states "pre alpha in engine footage".
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There are already countless mods that tinker with graphics, and if VR mod was possible for GTAV, then I hope Elite won't be an exception...
So long as I can keep playing Horizons as-is in VR if I only want to stay seated, or can choose to switch to Odyssey if I want to spend any time on foot, I could accept it. I never really expected to be doing space legs in VR anyway, simply becuase it would make me puke.
But, we know so little about whats coming its really hard to say.
But, we know so little about whats coming its really hard to say.
So do I but I wouldn’t hold your breath
If it cost £1 million to add VR and £1.5 million to implement protection to stop people modifying the game I bet they would rather spend the £1.5 million!
Likewise. Legs were never even on my wishlist, really - so many other games allow you to run around.
Confirmation would be nice. But I suspect it is too early.
I can't say I'm entirely surprised by the annnouncement (at some level) and didn't necessarily want VR support for the walking component anyway. With the reveal that Odyssey is (apparently) going to include atmospheric landings tho' - at a very basic level what I want is to be able to fly my spaceship over the surface of a planet, in VR, with blue skies above me. I think the experience of that (with whatever other terrain improvements Odyssey brings ... perhaps even weather?) would be an absolutely sensational VR experience and something that will be hard to bear if it's not supported.
Initially this is how I interpreted FD's VR statement. I imagined a situation where there'd be a moment when you get out of the pilot seat (perhaps via a fade to black, perhaps via a 3rd person animation) and that that would be the moment when, at launch at least, it would say "sorry - VR no supported". I could live with that. It never occured to me that VR users might be excluded from the basic improvements to the graphics engine, the new terrain and the lighting and sky colours provided by atmospheric worlds. I assumed it was just a technical issue to do with the practicalities of locomotion and other "legs" related issues.
I'm currently still trying to get an answer from FD to the question I posted in the Odyssey announcement thread.
Will people in VR still be able to fly space ships around beneath a blue sky?
Right at the end of last night's livestream Zac spotted my request for clarification on this issue and I'm hoping that he's going to try and provide an answer if at all possible.
Initially this is how I interpreted FD's VR statement. I imagined a situation where there'd be a moment when you get out of the pilot seat (perhaps via a fade to black, perhaps via a 3rd person animation) and that that would be the moment when, at launch at least, it would say "sorry - VR no supported". I could live with that. It never occured to me that VR users might be excluded from the basic improvements to the graphics engine, the new terrain and the lighting and sky colours provided by atmospheric worlds. I assumed it was just a technical issue to do with the practicalities of locomotion and other "legs" related issues.
I'm currently still trying to get an answer from FD to the question I posted in the Odyssey announcement thread.
Will people in VR still be able to fly space ships around beneath a blue sky?
Right at the end of last night's livestream Zac spotted my request for clarification on this issue and I'm hoping that he's going to try and provide an answer if at all possible.
This would require either a free update for horizons OR a split of Odyssey into two parts you could purchase separately. One with or one without legs.
However I think the free-bees are over and done with, considering that we havent payed for any expansion since 2015.
VR+Hotas+pedal+Headtracker owner here.
If i have to choose where frontier focus their afford.
VR or the new contents game loops, game mechanics and quality.
Then i say scrap VR for now. do it later when everything else, is working. focus on quality.
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I would be more sad to see headtracking go.
If i have to choose where frontier focus their afford.
VR or the new contents game loops, game mechanics and quality.
Then i say scrap VR for now. do it later when everything else, is working. focus on quality.
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I would be more sad to see headtracking go.
I suppose you could always put it in SBS mode and play it on Virtual Desktop or Bigscreen just to see how it'd look in 3D with your current headset, but it'd be a shame to then lose all the cockpit quality. But virtual screens do kill most of the sim sickness. Along with your headtracking.
Scrapping VR means it never comes back. I say experimental support with barebones camera and HUD tweaks as a foundation to build on later (Is this not the FD way? Are we not men?) and a way for the diehards to get their fix. Controllers? Comfort? You're on your own. So gate it for the newbies who'd get sick and moan. A compromise that doesn't take away too much from development priorities.
Scrapping VR means it never comes back. I say experimental support with barebones camera and HUD tweaks as a foundation to build on later (Is this not the FD way? Are we not men?) and a way for the diehards to get their fix. Controllers? Comfort? You're on your own. So gate it for the newbies who'd get sick and moan. A compromise that doesn't take away too much from development priorities.
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Looking at other games, that were ported to VR like the Serious Sam series or Hellblade, you can see a number of changes had to be done to make them work in VR. The player movement and mobility is pretty different for VR player. Even with locomotion considered it is hard to find a common ground and create working challenges for both types at the same time.
Both mentioned titles show how a mix of flat and VR could be accomplished. Hellblade for instance shows cinematics with lots of camera movement on a big screen in VR - sounds weird but works pretty good. For Serious Sam the dev recognized VR players are worse at moving, dodging and shooting at the same time, so the gave them the ability to dual wield weapons and a specific mode to enable them to shoot projectiles, that needed to be dodged in the regular game.
If flat and VR players are merged compromises have to be made. But since ED is full of compromises by design, I don't think it would hurt the FPS part that much, if it was made compatible to VR.
I can't see me bothering to fly spaceships on a flat screen again. But I understand that VR FPS is fundamentally different gameplay to mouse and keyboard; the industry has standardised on teleporting movement to avoid motion sickness, and that's going to be a weird experience for the two groups fighting each other.
So I think my preference order for squaring that circle is:
1) Ensuring that the rest of Odyssey's improvements with more landable planet types, greater base variety etc. are still available to those of us stuck in ships wearing headsets.
2) If some elements truly require us to suit up and get outside, that they make that transition something that works as a diegetic helmet removal as the player suits up for EVA.
3) Just give those graphic improvements to everyone, including the VR people not buying Odyssey.
So I think my preference order for squaring that circle is:
1) Ensuring that the rest of Odyssey's improvements with more landable planet types, greater base variety etc. are still available to those of us stuck in ships wearing headsets.
2) If some elements truly require us to suit up and get outside, that they make that transition something that works as a diegetic helmet removal as the player suits up for EVA.
3) Just give those graphic improvements to everyone, including the VR people not buying Odyssey.
What would be the point of motion controllers in Elite, what would it add? A gamepad will do just fine, the biggest challenge would be the UI.
As has been said here, i would accept being limited to the current Elite experience, ie seated, if allowed to fly around the new landscapes.
Elite got me into VR, VR kept me in Elite.
Elite got me into VR, VR kept me in Elite.
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They probably looked at the numbers of concurrent VR players of Elite and figured that the development wasnt worth the effort. The language they're using to describe the insurmountable technical hurdles is so vague though that I cant possibly believe any of it. They simply dont think it's worth their time. But they arent looking at the trends. VR has hit critical mass. What are they going to do when PS5 and xbox x series reveal their VR capabilities shortly after release?
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split the game in VR and non VR Modules is a great mistake from FDEV...