Jane Turner
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There is a nice communist faction in there
Increased volatility in the BGS -runaway leaders many retreats
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When they trigger in one of their systems, they show as in expansion everywhere. The system where they are on 18.4% isn't the one they are expanding from.
I suspect this is also the reason that the assertion that 6000 systems have expanding MFs isn't entirely accurate.
(Alternatively, I have no idea how expansion works...)
Fortunately, they and the Anarchists both look to be safe from retreat. ;-)There is a nice communist faction in there
Yeah there's a faction in my home that's in both expansion & retreat
Expansions take longer than retreats, so there may be fewer invasion wars (that can be contested or not fought/opposed). It may have the silver lining of reducing the number of systems with 8 or more factions though.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
I can think of at least two more problematic ones.
Ah, ok. I though this was the case only prior to 3.3, but you are right. The odd thing was that one of their systems did not reflect the pending expansion. A delayed tick data sync, perhaps.
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Yes, we see a lot of that but:
1. We also see a few instances of a big swing for 1 faction, a big loss for another, with the others very static. Not sure that is a possible outcome with that method
2. Even if it is not exactly what FD meant to happen, I don't see how it or anything like it achieves 'trend' as the patch notes say
3. WHY ? It's a huge backward step in just about every aspect, and I can't see any possible improvement to gameplay, balance, exploit avoidance or anything apart from at a very long stretch, the mythical dead pg removal (I see no evidence it's a thing that has even crossed FDs mind)
I don't know what it is, but I do know that we have been here before, it ended really badly, and it looks like we will now not have any more feedback from FD till Monday. Last time they messed the bed, we lost about 90% of our bgs players in disgust. Some to other activities, some left the game entirely, and it's been a long hard slog to replace them. Just as we get a team together again, they drop this. I am currently keeping things cool, but I don't know how long their interest will last.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
That is the effect if there is negative action for one faction too - I was only modeling positive actions for one faction.
So, I guess we have heard nothing from Frontier?
I dunno, I think I know which two you are referring to but somehow this feels worse. I used to consider 3.3 the worst, but in that one we mostly only had factions losing control of systems, this one factions are getting retreated entirely and we both know once you are out, it's not easy getting back in again. The concequences of this one just seem far more dire.
I dunno, I think I know which two you are referring to but somehow this feels worse. I used to consider 3.3 the worst, but in that one we mostly only had factions losing control of systems, this one factions are getting retreated entirely and we both know once you are out, it's not easy getting back in again. The concequences of this one just seem far more dire.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
FD are looking at the numbers
I agree. There's a pattern here.
Which two would those have been?
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
There was the one around the insertion of the 1st pmfs, when a murder counted as -5 so 2 murders was a full negative cap - except there was no cap, for a short murder spree could take the controlling faction from 95 to 1 overnight.... and to compound it all Power Play murders counted as murders, so it was impossible to control a Power play centre. That was a rocky ride if there was a murder monkey about or you were hosting a power.
Then there was 3.3 itself, when FD changed from a transactional to value-based system of calculating inputs. The method chosen for the diminishing returns was log(base 2) [unit of input]/[adujstment factor] That was fine for missions where the unit was a +, but for all other activities it was possible for have less than a unit. Worst for exploration where the unit was set at 1,000,000 credits. If someone sold a single sun (800Cr) that is 0.0008 of a unit. and -10.3 as a log. Systems that received a lot of small data drop were trashed. Hosting an exploration CG was a death sentence. That was compounded by all factions going to war/election if they crossed influence, influence being locked and all conflicts lasting 7 days regardless if they were already won. The result was total gridlock.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
There have been roll-backs for the BGS, but not for these.... the equations can be fixed server side
The calculations were fixed and life went on.
If you can call it living.
