Increased volatility in the BGS -runaway leaders many retreats
- Thread starter Jane Turner
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Another tick, another few pending retreats.
Months worth of work disappearing in days
Months worth of work disappearing in days
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
and retreating systems put up to 10% are back at 1 again....
People have been complaining that retreat was "too difficult" for months, despite the 3.6 changes, so I wonder if this is another attempt to "fix" that.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
I've not seen any rationale for why this change was made - though retreat was possible - it just needed a lot of effort. Now not retreating requires the same level of effort, as does not expanding.
Hmmm... It's a sort of fixing headcache by axe.
BTW, why the retreat is a problem 4 somebody? There are no wars, if no stations owned. Just sit on back startightly, and no problem at all.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
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We had a faction in retreat in one of our systems and it went up 26% in two days. It is even more difficult now.
The change was supposed to be you kept more of your inf from previous tick to keep trends.I interpreted this as less volatiliy but it has had the opposite effect, with the entire galaxy in a state of chaos.
Happyness has been affected too (although i admit i never really understood how it works), my faction used to be elated in all but 2 systems, we're now discontented almost everywhere irrespective of inf movement direction.
Happyness has been affected too (although i admit i never really understood how it works), my faction used to be elated in all but 2 systems, we're now discontented almost everywhere irrespective of inf movement direction.
I think it might be fairer to say it's less predictable. A faction retreated from my home system on the tick, the retreat had been in progress before the update though.
If you can't block the retreat, you can't expand either. The moment you enter a new system you will be shoved down into retreat again. Plus, if you do retreat from a system it drops the bottom of your expansion priority list so getting back in that particular system is a lot harder.
Sorry, I really dont't understand. As I remember, I had retreat and expansion at the same time. Of course, I may be wrong and make a review of our influence history in cbb, but I remember exactly, that retreat and expansion happened at the same time (in different systems)
Can you tell how many individual factions that is?
Not without delving into the api for eddb. Bear in mind that not all systems have been visited as the data is crowdsourced so the number may be higher.
However, it is the relative rise from 4500 to 7300 in 3 days that is the scary prospect.
As mentioned elsewhere though. Most of those who expand will then subsequently bounce straight out again and then get blocked from expanding there again at this rate which should lead to some hilarity
However, it is the relative rise from 4500 to 7300 in 3 days that is the scary prospect.
As mentioned elsewhere though. Most of those who expand will then subsequently bounce straight out again and then get blocked from expanding there again at this rate which should lead to some hilarity
And the expansions caused by this haven't really started yet - pending is 5 days, so anyone actually active right now was over 75% on Monday (or earlier) before the changes
Doing a quick check on the state data in the EDDB systems file:
EDIT: added Retreats as well, where the difference is much bigger.
Doing a quick check on the state data in the EDDB systems file:
| 6 June | 13 June | |
| Faction-system pairs Pending Expansion | 3476 | 8034 |
| Faction-system pairs Active Expansion | 4233 | 4845 |
| Faction-system pairs Pending Retreat | 32 | 780 |
| Faction-system pairs Active Retreat | 211 | 1932 |
| Systems with highest faction >= 75% | 518 | 1925 |
EDIT: added Retreats as well, where the difference is much bigger.
A few days to get the influence, ~6 days to expand, then there's a ten-day minimum time in a system before Retreats can happen, then another six or so for the Retreat itself. That gives Frontier about three weeks to fix it before that starts to be a serious issue.
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You're gaining inf today because you gained inf yesterday.
Because you gained inf today, you'll gain inf tomorrow....
Suuuuuuuuuuuuurely they've accounted for this. They wouldn't leave a positive feedback loop in there, right?
Looks like a positive-feedback loop to me. Runaway increase in the controlling faction throughout the Canopus region, even though that faction already controls all systems and stations and cannot expand further (nothing else in range). Everyone else struggling, including the other Fed faction (so not Fed rank-grinders).
The faction - too many to list
The Star System - ditto
The Date - everything after the 9th of June 2020
What you think is wrong - impossible gains all over the Galaxy never seen before.
Dear Frontier, you really did some bloopers over the years with the BGS. I fondly remember the 2.3 patch on 11th April 2017 where you restarted the Servers so often that a certain victory in a conflict to win back our HQ (59.7% vs. 21.5% on the 10th) was turned into a complete and utter defeat of 1.0% vs. 66.6%. One day later (12th), a complete rollback was done and the BGS restored to the values of the 10th.
Looks like this won't be possible this time, maybe because it would remove all those new PMF you implemented. Which would be good though because you completely botched to place their descriptions into the correct Systems and slammed them into others. But I digress.
At this moment in time I feel unemployed. There is no drive to play the BGS anymore because it plays itself. I don't know about others but if I'm reduced to the role of a Spectator without being able to do anything it gets boring in a hurry.
If this was a planned accident to open up as many Systems as possible and make it more lively again I fear it will severely backfire. People made great efforts to keep their areas closed and maintain good relations with their neighbours. At least in those places were people respect each others efforts and know what it took to get where they are.
With almost every System going nuts in means of % increase, minus those in the high single or double digit billions of Population, there be many open again to expand into. But nobody will stay anywhere because those in control will easily smother every and all attempts to stay inside. Permanent Expansions and Retreats is what we're going to have and not the sliver of a chance to stay and gain a foothold.
So if this keeps up, is not looked into and changed you will lose pretty much everyone that ever wanted to play the game for BGS reasons. For why would anyone need to? Those who are in control of Systems will rise and stay up top without the need to lift a finger, effortlessly reigning supreme. Everyone else will be pushed down and out. You have created the perfect version of Social Distancing in Elite - all can visit but not stay for very long before they're sent back to their own place.
Please, for your sake and ours, fix this. Soon.
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