Tritium Mining in the black

baqar79

baqar79
I haven't done much mining while on the Fleet Carrier, just a bit of sub-surface mining at a single Tritium hot-spot, which is something I'm new to so the rate is likely less than an experienced miner, but the rate I got was roughly similar to my triple Borann hotspot mining (normally I would get around 128 tonnes every hour, which is a far cry from SenseiMatty's 250 tonnes/hour).

I think 250 tonnes an hour for an explorer inexperienced at mining while out of the bubble seems a fair goal extraction rate and would allow a typical explorer like myself to at least get 1 full FC jump per hour (or better if running light like Frillop). Granted right now my opinion on the matter is subject to change as I should really see what the extraction rate for Tritium is outside of hot spots....anyone tried extraction Tritium outside of hot spots?
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
At these sort of t/hr it isn’t a viable method to refuel. Consider the player starts with 25000t and can jump as and when they desire,when this is depleted they are restricted to at best 1hr of mining for every consecutive jump.
Logic dictates,decommissioning and free ride back to the bubble,rinse and repeat.
The drop rate would need to jump to such an exponential level that I believe mining isn’t a viable method to refuel carriers.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Gpaolo said:
I'm pretty sure that if you find a triple tritium hotspot you will get well above the triple LTD hotspot in Borann. As I said, at the moment I'm doing about 180-190t/h in a single hotspot.
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I agree, but in exploration you don't mine always in the same spot. Even if I find a triple hotspot now, the next months I will be more than 5000 LY away from there. That's why I believe that Tritium, as used as fuel, should be much more common than precious and rare materials LTDs
 

FixMeNow

FixMeNow
Been following my carrier from Colonia to Sag A.

About 60% the way there, been scanning every ice ring going and have had one close 2xtrit.

Trit is not a problem as i have 22k onboard, but eventually it will run dry. Im an explorer 2h mining in a 1xtrit hotspot for 1 jump does not sound fun.

Im by no means moaning or asking for a buff, we just need people to find some 2x hotspots or that magic 3x.out in the black.
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
One solution would be,you find a Tritium resource,park your carrier in range and send out your NPCs mining crew and over the course of say 4 weeks you replenish 25000t of Tritium.
To encourage mining by the player this could effectively buff your drop rate,in which case if you mined manually you could fill the 25000t in 1 week(?).
As a way to remove the disastrous consequences to being able to literally print credits,the player has the option to turn as much carrier cargo space into fuel tank space as they like and any Tritium mined using this method only goes into the fuel tank.
 

Gpaolo

G
Have you considered that running with a full cargo is part of the problem?
This is what I do, for example.
Go out exploring in the direction where I want to go, at some point I find some suitable system for refuel. The other day I did 450LY jump using I think 140t of tritium. I mine for 2h and get twice that amount. Then I restart exploring. I have left with 500t of fuel (didn't buy one single gram) and now I have 790t after 4 jumps, I did 90% of the time exploration and four sessions of mining. It isn't that bad.
This is exploration. Of course if you just want to jump straight system after system no stopping, carrying with you 25kt of fuel, then you have a problem. But I see that as a very reasonable limitation -actually, not a limitation at all. It's just "realistic".
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
Gpaolo said:
Have you considered that running with a full cargo is part of the problem?
This is what I do, for example.
Go out exploring in the direction where I want to go, at some point I find some suitable system for refuel. The other day I did 450LY jump using I think 140t of tritium. I mine for 2h and get twice that amount. Then I restart exploring. I have left with 500t of fuel (didn't buy one single gram) and now I have 790t after 4 jumps, I did 90% of the time exploration and four sessions of mining. It isn't that bad.
This is exploration. Of course if you just want to jump straight system after system no stopping, carrying with you 25kt of fuel, then you have a problem. But I see that as a very reasonable limitation -actually, not a limitation at all. It's just "realistic".
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Personally it’s not a play style I’m excited about,I’ve spent enough time mining for the funds to afford a carrier and the prospect of mining to move gameplay is off putting to say the least.
I don’t really see the drawback of making moving a carrier around a less of a arduous task.
 

Gpaolo

G
cheesenbiscuits said:
Personally it’s not a play style I’m excited about,I’ve spent enough time mining for the funds to afford a carrier and the prospect of mining to move gameplay is off putting to say the least.
I don’t really see the drawback of making moving a carrier around a less of a arduous task.
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I really missed forums :D
So half of the forum is complaining that it's too easy to buy a FC. Other half that it's too difficult.
Half is complaining that mining gets you too much, other that it's too little.
I have seen plenty of complains after the FC update saying that you find only crapton of tritium everywhere, still other thinks it´s not easy enough to find it.

Personally, as I was saying already in another thread, there is already nothing difficult in this game, it´s just a matter of time. Now if you want to remove also time from the equation, you have a game where you can buy what you want with no effort, where you can explore instantaneously the whole galaxy with no effort, and where avoiding of being killed already requires no effort.

Wouldn't just being pointless then?

Moving the carrier around is in no possible way an "arduous" task. Crossing the galaxy with a 10 minutes fuel stop, which is what you are asking, that would be just silly. That is the drawback.
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
Gpaolo said:
I really missed forums :D
So half of the forum is complaining that it's too easy to buy a FC. Other half that it's too difficult.
Half is complaining that mining gets you too much, other that it's too little.
I have seen plenty of complains after the FC update saying that you find only crapton of tritium everywhere, still other thinks it´s not easy enough to find it.

Personally, as I was saying already in another thread, there is already nothing difficult in this game, it´s just a matter of time. Now if you want to remove also time from the equation, you have a game where you can buy what you want with no effort, where you can explore instantaneously the whole galaxy with no effort, and where avoiding of being killed already requires no effort.

Wouldn't just being pointless then?

Moving the carrier around is in no possible way an "arduous" task. Crossing the galaxy with a 10 minutes fuel stop, which is what you are asking, that would be just silly. That is the drawback.
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I just want to be able to fuel up without hours of mining,is that such a ridiculous request? We can’t all have your sunny disposition to grind.
 

Gpaolo

G
cheesenbiscuits said:
I just want to be able to fuel up without hours of mining,is that such a ridiculous request? We can’t all have your sunny disposition to grind.
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You are not asking to fuel up, you are asking to fill up 25kt of cargo without hours of mining, that's the point, and yes, that's a ridiculous request.
You want to buy fuel? Go to stations. You want to explore? You need to sort if your by yourself. If it were for me, FC should need a lot more than fuel, also food, water, oxygen etc., to be used over time.
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
Gpaolo said:
You are not asking to fuel up, you are asking to fill up 25kt of cargo without hours of mining, that's the point, and yes, that's a ridiculous request.
You want to buy fuel? Go to stations. You want to explore? You need to sort if your by yourself. If it were for me, FC should need a lot more than fuel, also food, water, oxygen etc., to be used over time.
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It’s an hours mining for every jump,sounds like a grind to me.
 

Defacto

Defacto
cheesenbiscuits said:
It’s an hours mining for every jump,sounds like a grind to me.
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If your playstyle involves constantly going mining to fuel a carrier to jump as fast as it can, on your own for the entire carrier, then I can definitely see how it sounds like a grind. But of course, supporting a fleet carrier on your own is ridicilous, and with a 500 Ly jump range you'd only need a jump or two to get anywhere in core space. And going anywhere else, with a carrier, on your own, would of course be even more bizarre.
 

Gpaolo

G
Defacto said:
If your playstyle involves constantly going mining to fuel a carrier to jump as fast as it can, on your own for the entire carrier, then I can definitely see how it sounds like a grind. But of course, supporting a fleet carrier on your own is ridicilous, and with a 500 Ly jump range you'd only need a jump or two to get anywhere in core space. And going anywhere else, with a carrier, on your own, would of course be even more bizarre.
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I'm by myself :(
I just didn't know anyone who could have joined me.
 

OldManKnott

OldManKnott
I've currently reached Sag A in my FC, (Gotham City). I've parked it and am currently having an explore looking for a decent Tritium mining spot so that I can pass this info on to other CMDRs. I'm in no rush so will probably stay here for a few weeks or until I've found a really good place. If others were happy to do this around the galaxy then mining for Tritium out in the black wouldn't be so difficult.
 

Defacto

Defacto
Gpaolo said:
I'm by myself :(
I just didn't know anyone who could have joined me.
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Back in the days I found it so easy to interact with other people. When the closed Beta increased the number of systems from ~7 to ~50, I think I was one of the first who traced a path (because of generally lower jump ranges, navigation could be pretty hard in those times) down to one of the new systems, Wyrd, I think, and had a chat in supercruise with another commander who had found their way there. In the Lugh war I could spontaneously just form a fighting wing with two other cmdrs who hung out at the station.

Nowadays, I meet a lot of commanders, but noone talks, I say hello, but they don't respond. Everyone is busy doing their own thing. And why help crew a carrier when you can get your own?
 

cheesenbiscuits

cheesenbiscuits
Gpaolo said:
I'm telling you, I'm flying a FC, I'm refuelling along the way, and I'm not spending hours mining every jump. I could actually spend 1/2h every two 500LY jumps.
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You’re not going to like this.....that’s still a grind and I fear your figures may be a little optimistic.
My issue with linking jumps to mining(grind)is that fuel has never been an issue up until the carriers were introduced,refuelling was a breeze,if you were exploring you scooped it.
I don’t find it an acceptable method and if it were changed to a more traditional method that didn’t require grind you still get to mine to your hearts content,only now you’ve got a carrier full of treasure.
 

baqar79

baqar79
There are probably a few different ways to explore that are being developed with the introduction of Fleet Carriers. I'm probably playing in such a way that the mining mechanic isn't too bad since I plant my Fleet Carrier at a nice ELW system and then explore with my DBX to find the next place to move my carrier. This slow plodding along is probably reasonably suited to mining for fuel since I might spend several hours or perhaps a day exploring a region so mining Tritium for the next jump doesn't take a large portion of that time.

In saying that, after 1 hour of mining, this is what I got out of an icy ring with no hotspots at all:
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I took 80 limpets along which isn't all that much but I was counting on finding several Tritium sub-surface deposits, but I ended up burning through all my limpets prospecting. I think I may of done better if I focused purely on laser mining, as while there was a reasonable number of sub-surface deposit asteroids, they were often the wrong sort of sub-surface deposit. I'm currently pretty terrible at sub-surface mining and it certainly doesn't help when the asteroid is rotating pretty fast, so I lost several collector limpets and sub-surface displacement munitions from missing.

Sample size of one, so it doesn't really mean anything, but it would be nice if even casual mining like this could at least give me enough Tritium for a single 500LY jump, but it looks like it is necessary to find a Tritium hotspot (at least at my skill level). Gpaolo, when you were getting 120t/hour at a non-Tritium hot spot was that just laser mining or sub-surface mining?
 
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