New players being explointed by carrier owners?

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I'm wondering, what forum members think about dozen of carriers buying LTD for 500k in New Borann.
I've flew yesterday to both mining system and system that was buying LTD for 1.7mln.
Apparently there were a lot of carrier jumps, ppl were anouncing departure and saw multiple messages like "welocme to ocellus something, jump has been concluded, thank you for using our services" then followed by lot of "thank you" from miners that got carrier to selling system.

Which is nice. Game felt very much alive.

But:
1) also there was player who said "wohoo 120 mil, I'm rich!" Which suggest some new players are hanging around. I guess new players keep buying game + we got update recently + game was on discount.
2) Few carrier owners were happy because they sold LTD they bought from miners, I remember one of they said he/she sold 3k of LTD (I remember such statement, obviously i find it hard to believe), others metnioned some other figures.

I find it hard to believe that player being aware of true price of LTD decided to sell stuff for 3x cheaper than possible despite fact that carriers were constantly leaving mining site, and they were anouncing "heyy come with me, carrier XYZ jumpin in 15 mins to selling system". And if they are not aware then its exploiting new players ignorance. Which is nothing new given what is happening in deciat, but this is extra sad since its the richest cmdrs in galaxy (they own damn carriers!) who seek to get even more at other's expense.

Do you think the same?

Obviously it would be best if fdevs would simply remove this silly, stupid and artificial cap on price.
 

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Bottom Hat said:
It's the max price the game allows any carrier owner to set. I imagine people would go higher if allowed.

Nice try though.
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Nice try? My intention wasnt trolling or anything. Although i guess thats what troll would say (well troll would write short post and kept quited, afaik).

Obviously people would go higher - capitalism would happen. But does price being limited by frontier automagically excuse carrier owners to take advantage over newbs?
 

[VR] Orodruin

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Nice try? My intention wasnt trolling or anything. Although i guess thats what troll would say (well troll would write short post and kept quited, afaik).

Obviously people would go higher - capitalism would happen. But does price being limited by frontier automagically excuse carrier owners to take advantage over newbs?
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It is completely up to each individual player to whom they want to sell and what price they are willing to accept. Nobody is being forced to do anything against their will. A new player is anyway going to earn a crazy amount of money very fast selling at 570k and most likely miss out on any semblance of progression.

If you have had enough incentive to look up where to mine - then you can also be expected to have looked up where to sell.

Also - it is Kirre’s Icebox - not New Borann.
 

Maggie_Oz

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If sellers are happy to take a lower return for their mining and let's face it they are getting 100% profit, and the carrier buyer then sells that on, and remember they aren't getting the full "mined it myself" profit, then what's the issue?

Is our Nanny Galaxy to the point where we have to have oversight on credit hoarding too?
 
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[VR] Mad Mike said:
Players can blap noobs in their e rated ship's using god rolled engineered ship's and the noob loses everything , so not sure the problem TBH
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Hm, someone being shot down loose any cargo that he/she was carying (if any) and ~15 minutes traveling form last station. Newb taht is not aware of true value of LTD can mine for days and weeks until he/she realize how much more could be earned.

[VR] Orodruin said:
It is completely up to each individual player to whom they want to sell and what price they are willing to accept. Nobody is being forced to do anything against their will. A new player is anyway going to earn a crazy amount of money very fast selling at 570k and most likely miss out on any semblance of progression.

If you have had enough incentive to look up where to mine - then you can also be expected to have looked up where to sell.

Also - it is Kirre’s Icebox - not New Borann.
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Yeah thats what i thought too - any tutorial/youtube that shows location is likely to name the price.
Actually that argument kinda finish discussion - they are aware of true price.
Except I still find it hard to believe that they are giving up they profits. Meaby perspective of quick cash is better than even bigger cash but delayed? Thats very interesting. Human behaviour present in real life happening totaly not cahgned in video game.

TiberiusDuval said:
Even if carrier owners are exploiting, well so what? This is game where you can SHOOT people without no reason, little swindle is comparably tame. Willing seller, willing buyer.
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I was curious if other players consider it as exploit. Meaby I shouldnt express my opion so openly.
Ofc at the end of the day it doesnt matter (well MEABY except for me cause im loosing faith in humanity even faster).
 

Pristine_Bump

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Im offering employment data missions to newbs (in the systems im working) for an extra million a day and they of course get the reward,we havnt scratched the surface yet :eek:
 

jacozilla

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Nice try? My intention wasnt trolling or anything. Although i guess thats what troll would say (well troll would write short post and kept quited, afaik).

Obviously people would go higher - capitalism would happen. But does price being limited by frontier automagically excuse carrier owners to take advantage over newbs?
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I think you believe just because you call it exploitation it somehow adds credence to your assertion.

players have free will and not indentured slaves with gun to the head, they can willingly take - or not - whatever offers FCs set. Whether limited by player will or fdev limit, it is not exploitation under any capitalist system for two adults to make a consensual trade agreement.

during the 1849+ California gold rush, suppliers sold jeans, mining equipment, food, etc are far higher than regular market average, and similarly offered to buy gold ore from miners below max prices the miners could get if they traveled from then mining towns like Sutter Creek to the ‘big city’ of San Francisco.

but miners willingly bought consumables at higher prices and sold gold ore at lower than market averages because they were free to do so. For some it was the lure of get it now, for others It was simple opportunity cost of missing out on that next lucky strike if they had to travel all the way to the big city.

you talk about capitalism would happen if FD didn’t have this limit - you’re missing the point it is happening right now. players are willingly selling at wholesale rather than travel all the way back to get closer to retail - that is 100% capitalism at work
 

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And also there is one consideration even if carrier operator was able to offer same max price for product as some far away station, well where is profit in that? Players selling to carrier kind of pay for convenience of not needing to travel to some far away system with all the risks involved and can get to mining more faster. Carrier operator takes all the risk.
 

CR33P

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I was curious if other players consider it as exploit. Meaby I shouldnt express my opion so openly.
Ofc at the end of the day it doesnt matter (well MEABY except for me cause im loosing faith in humanity even faster).
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It's only a game, brah. As others have said most likely people are selling low for the convenience, there's not much excuse for ignorance in a game where you have to look up about 99% of how to play it anyway. I'd also not be surprised if more experienced players are selling a few as a way of gifting the owner of the FC a bit of thank-you cash. I know I would if I was being ferried out to a hotspot and back
 

Drelthar

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It's not really taking advantage, it's offfvering another option beside potentially waiting around in a carrier to jump, and not neccassarily ending that close to the selling station, or, making all the jumps themselves.

Yes, it's less cash, but they can just drop them off really quick at a carrioer and get back to mining
 

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jacozilla said:
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you talk about capitalism would happen if FD didn’t have this limit - you’re missing the point it is happening right now. players are willingly selling at wholesale rather than travel all the way back to get closer to retail - that is 100% capitalism at work
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I agree/cool example except quoted part - prices are artificaially capped to to point that literaly everyone buys for same price. Its aint competetive market. 10% capitalism tops ; )

TiberiusDuval said:
And also there is one consideration even if carrier operator was able to offer same max price for product as some far away station, well where is profit in that? Players selling to carrier kind of pay for convenience of not needing to travel to some far away system with all the risks involved and can get to mining more faster. Carrier operator takes all the risk.
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Lol noone is asking for "same" price - obviously its logical for carrier owner to ahve some gain but how its 1.2mln per tone of passive profit. Having it down to 50k per tone would mean 23000 *50k = 1,1 bln profit from full carier. Miners would be more willing to sell to carriers and go back to mining (instead taking taxi) and carrier owners would still get s**t load of creds.

CR33P said:
It's only a game, brah. As others have said most likely people are selling low for the convenience, there's not much excuse for ignorance in a game where you have to look up about 99% of how to play it anyway. I'd also not be surprised if more experienced players are selling a few as a way of gifting the owner of the FC a bit of thank-you cash. I know I would if I was being ferried out to a hotspot and back
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First part - indeed
Second part - giving 70% of potential profit as "thank you"? Really?
 

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Lol noone is asking for "same" price - obviously its logical for carrier owner to ahve some gain but how its 1.2mln per tone of passive profit. Having it down to 50k per tone would mean 23000 *50k = 1,1 bln profit from full carier. Miners would be more willing to sell to carriers and go back to mining (instead taking taxi) and carrier owners would still get s**t load of creds.
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Well carrier owner does not force anybody to sell them stuff on gunpoint. (It would not be feasible considering game mechanics...). Willing seller, willing buyer.

And did you account also middlemen in carrier sales, I do not own one but as far as I know Pilots Federation steals some profits kind of Carrier tax.
 
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