That isnt true though
Please Center/Fix the Fer De Lance
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Yes, and that not all. Imagine driving down a road. You know how the lines on the driver side are closer than the ones on the passenger side when your centered in the lane? Visualize how they move as you drive, then compare it with how the dust moves past your ship in the game. It's also WRONG. This is why I dislike off center cockpits. They break my immersion every time I move.
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The position is correct, you're just thinking its wrong based on the fixed position, it's deceptive. Play in VR and everything is the same, but moving your head or standing up you can see it's correct.
Yeah. No, you're wrong.
The position is correct, you're just thinking its wrong based on the fixed position, it's deceptive. Play in VR and everything is the same, but moving your head or standing up you can see it's correct.
It is. Try it in any ship with an off center cockpit. They used the same centered on face movement animations in all ships regardless of seat location. It's why you're never going to see a far right or left cockpit like the one the millennium falcon has.
I shouldn't need a new video every single existing video of a ship with an off center cockpit showcases this issue. That said, it's possible this issue is fixed in VR, but since I don't have a VR headset I'll never know.
If you don't see it then that's great, but it still bugs me.
I've no idea what this means. Are you talking about the lead-in to (for example) roll where the cockpit lags your head movement?
It's not fixed, its exactly the same. The position, the movement, all the same. The difference is the camera shake efffect and head shake/lead in to movement, it's not in VR as you're controlling your head rather than just the ship movement.
But seriously if you have a video that shows it I'd like to see it, I'm intrigued now.
The space dusk works in the same way as driving into heavy snow, it doesn't matter where you sit. I never saw snow off centered and I usually sit on one side in my car. Your street lines example is just wrong.
I like the off -center design. It should stay that way.
The ship is perfectly fine as far as I am concerned. I don't see what the problem is.
I like ships to have their own special quirks, and this particular one does not inhibit the functioning of the ship in any way.
We used to have ships which really required good heat management too. Sadly that has all but been removed by engineering now.
At least let us have this. It is just a visual thing without a real impact.
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You must be blind then. When it snows the snow in front of you works like the dust, sure, but the stuff on the passenger side is simply missing from the dust in game. There should be more dust over that way then on the right when off center.
Perhaps a picture can better explain the issue than my words. I'm linking to Imgur ( Source: https://imgur.com/l4JDc4R
) as the forum won't allow me to attach a picture for some reason. The issue is most apparent with rolls, in this picture I marked in red the actual center of rotation of the ship in game and in green approximately where it should be. If the ship rolled properly the pilot's point of view would move in an arc around the green circle. Instead the ship moves in an arc around the center of rotation on the pilots point of view.
No, it isnt. I exclusively flew an FDL for maybe 3 months. It is not centered on your head.
See now an enterprising player with VR could, if he/she could be bothered, set up a repeatable test, one in 2d, and one in 3d. In 3d this player with too much time on his/her hands could replicate the roll a set distance from a permanent object and then step a couple of steps to the left to the centre of the ship and re-roll. My suspicion is that the 2d will match exactly the 3d from the same seat position, and having moved to the left will see instead that it was correct and the ship is rolling along the centre of the ship.
I'll think about doing it.
The reason I'm reasonably confident is because your 2d view is really a 3d view, with simple mouse look available. The 3d VR view is always a revelation because things you thought were true about the cockpit view turn out to be false when you can move your head. Hell, it blows my mind that the UI holograms are exactly that, you can view them side-on or from the reverse side, and the Vulture cockpit slopes down under a massive canopy in a way a 2d view just cannot convey.
I'd also add that I think you may be seeing the effect of the cockpit immersion wobble, a name I've just invented. It definitely rolls on an odd axis, but it's a lead-in effect on movement replicating head wobble I think, it's not the vessel itself rolling or moving along the line of the player view.
I'll think about doing it.
The reason I'm reasonably confident is because your 2d view is really a 3d view, with simple mouse look available. The 3d VR view is always a revelation because things you thought were true about the cockpit view turn out to be false when you can move your head. Hell, it blows my mind that the UI holograms are exactly that, you can view them side-on or from the reverse side, and the Vulture cockpit slopes down under a massive canopy in a way a 2d view just cannot convey.
I'd also add that I think you may be seeing the effect of the cockpit immersion wobble, a name I've just invented. It definitely rolls on an odd axis, but it's a lead-in effect on movement replicating head wobble I think, it's not the vessel itself rolling or moving along the line of the player view.
This is a pretty shameful post, OP.
It’s a purely a ‘It’s designed to be a certain way, but I don’t like it so it’s wrong.’ situation.
You’re nevertheless portraying it like FD are somehow immoral for it, and you’re making out that you’re on some kind of moral crusade on behalf of players.
And you’ve made clear you’re not going to stop until you get what you want.
So what you’re actually doing, despite how you’re trying to portray it, is sticking two fingers up at anyone who likes it the way it is.
And yet you’re banging on in the first post and making out that FD need to do what you want to show they care about the community. What a shameless attempt at manipulation.
Down with this sort of thing.
It used to be a Described as a Luxury Personal Transport
This Saud Kruger ZGP collaboration is the version we see in ED
Elite Dangerous said:
The Oriignal ZPG FDL was just as Luxurious
1984 Elite said:
but to keeps to the main post
In VR the Cockpit of the FDL is perfect for combat awareness
Sometimes I wonder how you guys manage to drive to the store and back without losing your minds.
The top pilots in the game don’t seem to have any issue making it work, I don’t see why the average player can’t handle it.
I’d rather see Fdev spend time on more pressing issues, like bug fixes+future content myself.
Look into the mamba sometime, it’s got a nice centered pilots seat.
The top pilots in the game don’t seem to have any issue making it work, I don’t see why the average player can’t handle it.
I’d rather see Fdev spend time on more pressing issues, like bug fixes+future content myself.
Look into the mamba sometime, it’s got a nice centered pilots seat.
Here's a video that showcases the rotation being around the player not the center of mass of the ship.
Source: https://youtu.be/EBxH6nQDBgM
Having tested in VR, it works correctly and the same as 2d, the pilots seat in the ship and the HUD are aiming at the central rotation point of the ship off into the horizon (or infinity. Or the skybox). In effect you are looking slightly inward at a point on the horizon, the same point where if you were sitting in the middle you'd be looking at. I can show it in VR.
I started the recording in the seat, put the mouse widget on. Moved the ship so it was aiming exactly at a star, the mouse widget on the star. The mouse widget is fakery, but it works to mark a star and see if we roll exactly on that axis. Flight assist off, started a slow roll. The ship from the seated position rolls perfectly on that dot, as in 2d. Stand up, move left to the centre of the ship (the video jumps as I pressed the recenter view button just so I could move left without falling out my window
) and you can see it's perfectly aligned with the roll, the dot on the star. Moving far left and far right without recentering and you can see the ship is rolling the way you think you should be seeing, ie the other side of the cockpit moving much more than the centre, but you aren't taking in to account the hud and seat are pointing correctly at the actual point on the skybox where the ship is pointing and rotating, marked by the mouse widget. You're thinking the hud and cockpit should be pointing parallel to it I think. Also - the ship is HUGE in length, and the seat is only like 2 feet offset from the centre. Your image with the red and green circles you're expecting to see the rotation at the green circle which is just under the window, but the ship goes so far out in front! In fact, the nose is out pointing where your red circle is, the cockpit up really high above the long nose that slopes down out of sight. It's correct.In VR it really is clear the ship IS rotating around it's centre axis. Because where I'm looking (in VR) is irrelevant to what the ship is doing. In 2d it doesn't seem that way, but it genuinely is.
I don't have youtube to upload, here's the video: Source: https://imgur.com/99XERkv
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That's showing the fact the pilot and the hud point towards the point on the horizon (sort of) that is the rotational point of the ship. The pilot isnt facing parallel to it.