No but I m used to people thinking I do so no worries. I m not going to say I do believe you or not believe you but you do realize that you claim something that we cannopt check, you dont have to prove and in the end its just words on the internet. Either way, I m reading your posts for the content, I dont particularly care if you are a backer since 2013 and if you were.....it wouldnt give your posts more gravity because of it. I would hoever expect your posts to reflect that timeframe in what you are saying. There has been too many people in the past claiming exactly that ("backer since day 1") but acting like love-poisened teenagers nevertheless which leads to doubt about the....credibility of their claims.
Anyway. Maybe some of your posts are touched by my own but I didnt respond to you in particular. I mostly quote parts of interest or something that triggered a thought process then speak in general and just throw out whatever I m trying to say. Its not meant to be a message to you.
I dont doubt that you enjoy Star Citizen in earnest. Mole does so too when its working for him. Thats not me and why it wouldnt be for me I think I explained in detail. If you are able to look past all the bad things, the waste, the abuse, the lies and the empty promises then good for you. I dont and I dont think either of us has "more right" to his view then the other.
I usually make very sure that I express at all times that Star Citizen is an unfinished tech-demo pre-alpha version of a game. Maybe I slip out of respect to some who seem to get aggrevated when I ride technicalities but trust me when I say that I never wanted to present Star Citizen like its a real game
Often enough saying "game" is quicker and easier then going through the motion but if you read some of my posts you know how I mean it ^^ Again...apologies for making you think I consider Star Citizen a real game How much money 45 really is for somebody is an individual decision. Money has different value to different people. I certainly could afford it and do spend more on less but putting 45 dollars into Star Citizen would keep me up at night because of the potential this project represents. That by now it could very well be an outright scam playing out to its bitter end and whatever cash it can grab before it goes under would go into the coffers of despicable people I wouldnt want to support. You fall back to preaching, describing to me what it is and what the 45 bucks give me when I know all that just fine....its cute to see you assuming you know more then I do because you play the pre-alpha and I dont ^^On your logic people paid 30 bucks for elite and investing hundreds of hours into it, maybe even thousands. That doesnt prevent those very people to bash and curse ED for what its NOT. So your logic is a little amorous and also short-lived. Maybe it counts for YOU specifically but certainly not for all the people who claim to have played ED for years only to bash it every chance they get. Hows that for brand loyalty or entertainment return?
There is no "difference" between us. We both wait. You are not better off then I am. You are out of 45 dollars which allows you to get the high you crave. Me....I m rather staying off watching others provide the details without any financial risk of my own. Apart from experiencing the pre-alpha first hand you have nothing over me in terms of knowledge or insight sorry
When you say you "understand" why its taking so long and will wait "patiently" I could say its commendable but it could also be something else. Many people are "doubling down" when it starts to look ugly.Well yes but you would assume wrongly. My browser can open any kind of adress and I do have access to other places. Spectrum itself is open to read if not to participate but there is Reddit, various topic related forums and all the comment sections across all media platforms. I think my statement is pretty sound. Whats true is that the resistence to SCs white knightery has increased a lot but that doesnt change the fact that whoever speaks out against SC is called nasty words and demonized, even punished if its in the power of the fanatics. MTBFritz is the handle I use HERE and I make it a point to not dabble too much into toxic territory. Nice try tho ^^
I probably do but thats what I can witness everywhere I go even if I m not affected myself. You know this is actually how I became aware of the toxicity in the first place. When Derek Smart made a blog with rather sensible questions and statements, stuff that deserved clearing the air IMO he was met with fanatical witch-hunting and verbal abuse that made me disgusted with people. It was an angry mob shouting stupid stuff because they cannot meet it intellectually. And sorry to say its like this even today. Mole tried to also tell us here that Spectrum has changed and its far more critical then its used to be but then he gets banned for innocent jests right? Yeah thats checking out ^^ Those bans are in addition to the replies he gets from less friendly individuals because whenever he runs into somebody who doesnt know him from ingame or doesnt know his SC history Mole is actually the bad guy and a hater. Its almost funny ^^
Oh you mean we dont believe the gospel and preaching? Because we all have the same access to information other places do. When something is shared in the concierge channel it finds its way here. If there are any news to be had, even in the ultra-elite pineapple club it ll be leaked. Interpretation might vary of course but we all have the same data, the same information. CIGs track record helps to put things into perspective especially when it comes to announcement or projected dates (snort) but you know all that being with the project since 2013. That you even attempt to suggest this is a hate echo chamber....well, thats what you were doing right?
If you know the reason for SCs massive delay please share. But I dont think you do. There are too many versions floating around. Too many different versions of the "why" specifically because there is no ONE official version. There is a laundry list of constant excuses, exceptions and justifications trying to shift ones perspective into an acceptant one. Seems to be working in your case. AFAIK CIG has not come out and given clear cut information about reasons or intentions, they didnt even come out with a clear statement about SC end result or its design papers which were supposed to be shared years ago. At this point CIG just says whatever keeps them floating and if you keep believing them "patiently" then you simply are in no place to disregard people who come to different conclusions all based on the same information you have.
Yes it does. The difference is that you come across invested at some point or you start to make mistakes because you dont speak honestly but make up all kinds of stuff and at some point you mix up things. "Lies have short legs" is something that has been put to the test and proven many times in this forum you know
The difference is that while you accuse me of generalization you do the very same but calling people "haters" simply for having a negative opinion about SC. I refuse that for myself and in all honestly.....I dont know anybody who would really "hate" a video game project. We had quite a few posts about this. I have detailed my view on it along others. If you really believe there are haters out there you simply admit to not being as neutral as you claim to be.No thats not it. I m talking about replies that are copy-pasted down to the grammatical errors and wording. Pages or paragraphs of text without passage or comma. You might even think all these people are the same person they sound so identical but that would be insane right? I mean how far gone would you have to be in order to make dozens upon dozens of accounts only to "enhance" your opinion or view? Even if AgonyAunt and me have the same view on something (fat chance for that to happen) we will both sound very differently in our posts because we use different words.
In regards to Star Citizen we all have the same level of information. Yet the same base splits into dozens and hundreds of possible variations and that maybe be intentional on CIGs part. Either way its crappy communication and we can debate if its intentional or really incompetent but honestly there is nothing else that would make a lot of sense.
When I state that development started in 2012 and are met with "WRONG and here is why....." then those are excuses. Sure, technically an explanation but more like justification which again makes it an excuse. Its funny like you cannot state just the facts in Star Citizen because if you do people tell you that you dont know its history so you miss context, cant interprete it correctly etc. You are being dismissed for not knowing enough. But if you make the dive and invest all that time necessary to wade through those thousands of hours of fluff video, debate and whatnot and come to the same conclusion its "I get it...you hate Star Citizen" and you are dismissed again.
Its complex is a nice get-out card if you present it all in one go but thats not the case here. Most people on this forum have a very long memory and been part of SCs development from the start. many still hold active accounts. Sometimes people on YT try to shut me up by cramming several years of development into one post but those rehearsals are factually wrong, require the most possible benefical interpretation and often enough a huge does of faith too. And when I start to disassemble their posts it usually turns ugly.
Star Citizen is not really complex.
CIG cant do it. They tried all these things but they break more then they fix. They dont know what to do so they keep treading along hoping for an outside miracle to save them.
Simple enough......
You too often feel addressed personally when I m not really talking to you or about you. I could wonder why you feel addressed but lets just state that I m not doing that in my previous post. Will you deny that there are people out there who will categorically dismiss every red flag or worry and turn it into something GOOD instead? I dont know the exact number but its not just a few. Your story about yourself and your friends is nice and I hope its true but that doesnt make those people any different. The Star Citizen project has lured in some really fanatical individuals who act like cultists and are responsible for the community getting its reputation. That there are enough sane fans out there is beyond question. Fact is that the toxic/fanatical part is numerous and active enough to white out the balanced part of the community. Thats not the "haters" dumping on the project. Thats the toxic pro-SC community part making an appearance.
I dont and I havent. I m not sure you realize but you asked me to ask a "normal" SC gamer and then exluced yourself and your friends. Does that mean you and your friends are abnormal?
But you should probably realize that you are not speaking for your friends either ^^
