General / Off-Topic Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris is Burning

[Patrick_68000]

The dismantling of the scaffolding will be launched on Monday.

The 40,000 metal tubes (500 tons), sealed by the melting of the roof, will be removed one by one. A titanic project, repeatedly postponed, which will probably last more than three months.

The entire structure, weakened by the fire and the fall of the spire and the frame, has been modeled and each tube must be removed in a precise order.

 

[lysan]

I would like to know the REAL reason why/how this beautiful building burned?

“After a two-month investigation that included the testimony of 100 witnesses, the Paris public prosecutor’s office announced in June that the leading theory was that the sparks that ignited the fire must have come from either an electrical short circuit or an improperly extinguished cigarette.”

 

[Patrick_68000]

I would like to know the REAL reason why/how this beautiful building burned?

“After a two-month investigation that included the testimony of 100 witnesses, the Paris public prosecutor’s office announced in June that the leading theory was that the sparks that ignited the fire must have come from either an electrical short circuit or an improperly extinguished cigarette.”

Hard to imagine anything else.

I don't see a crime here.

However, everything is still possible. A terrorist act ? The revenge of a former employee ? A blackmail that did not succeed ?

 

[Ralph Vargr]

An old building with bad wiring. Or Captain Reynaud has rounded up the usual suspects...

 

[Patrick_68000]

The cathedral spire will be rebuilt identically (like the rest of the cathedral).

The President of the Republic submitted himself to the opinions of experts.

 

[Noddie]

To be honest, how the devil would you work out how the fire started? Whatever evidence to determine that will have been in the seat of a major fire and possibly a collapsing building. There won't be much left and it will have been altered by the fire it started.

About all you can say is that nobody claimed responsibility so it was probably an accident and electrical problems and cigarettes are the most common forms of accident, so it's a good a postulate as any. Another is any transparent object focusing the sun on something flammable.

Does it really matter?

 

[Patrick_68000]

To be honest, how the devil would you work out how the fire started? Whatever evidence to determine that will have been in the seat of a major fire and possibly a collapsing building. There won't be much left and it will have been altered by the fire it started.

About all you can say is that nobody claimed responsibility so it was probably an accident and electrical problems and cigarettes are the most common forms of accident, so it's a good a postulate as any. Another is any transparent object focusing the sun on something flammable.

Does it really matter?

The electrical system must have been old too.

Perhaps the fire started spontaneously naturally due to the combination of several elements (dust, heat, wood, varnish, electricity in the air) ?

 

[lysan]

An old building with bad wiring. Or Captain Reynaud has rounded up the usual suspects...

So it went through wars and centuries without anything significant and then suddenly a bad wire did it? MKEY....

 

[Stigbob]

To be honest, how the devil would you work out how the fire started? Whatever evidence to determine that will have been in the seat of a major fire and possibly a collapsing building. There won't be much left and it will have been altered by the fire it started.

About all you can say is that nobody claimed responsibility so it was probably an accident and electrical problems and cigarettes are the most common forms of accident, so it's a good a postulate as any. Another is any transparent object focusing the sun on something flammable.

Experts can track a fire to its origins by the way things burn (or CCTV). The origin may not be badly burned as fire burn upwards.

Does it really matter?

From a future prevention point of view it really does matter even if the conclusion is we don't know.

 

[Stigbob]

So it went through wars and centuries without anything significant and then suddenly a bad wire did it? MKEY....

It had no wiring during the majority of those wars and centuries what with the majority of them being pre electricity. The wiring it does have probably originally dates back to the first introduction of electricity so some of it will be well dodgy.

 

[lysan]

It had no wiring during the majority of those wars and centuries what with the majority of them being pre electricity. The wiring it does have probably originally dates back to the first introduction of electricity so some of it will be well dodgy.

I actually tried to start a fire with a cigarette and some sparky wires, it’s very difficult to get anything started.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

So it went through wars and centuries without anything significant and then suddenly a bad wire did it? MKEY....

I don't get the suspicion. Do you think there is a different more shadowy reason why it burned down?

 

[Arry]

I don't get the suspicion. Do you think there is a different more shadowy reason why it burned down?

An act of God.
The insurance company would like that, as they would not have to pay out.
The constructors would like that, as they would be alleviated of any carelessness and therefore, blame.
The Catholic church however, may have an issue with it. As it may reflect its behavior, over the last two thousand years.

 

[Stigbob]

I actually tried to start a fire with a cigarette and some sparky wires, it’s very difficult to get anything started.

Not really vast numbers of piezoelectrical devices are used in all kinds of devices to start fires by design with a simple electrical spark.

I've had two fires in my kitchens in the last few years, one when the crumbs in the bottom of my toaster caught fire (carried it outside) and one where mice ate the insulation off the wires at the back of the cooker causing a short that set fire to the plastic housing (pulled the cooker out and used my supermarket own brand extinguisher). Both electrical, one by heat one by sparks.

The first was operator error, the second was ancient pre war wiring with cloth insulation.

Edit : I just dislodged the crumbs in my toaster with a chopstick, they were building up either side of the hole that allows them to fall through to the removable cleaning tray. You should all check yours those things are death-traps.

Edit Edit : unplug it first obviously.

 

[lysan]

Not really vast numbers of piezoelectrical devices are used in all kinds of devices to start fires by design with a simple electrical spark.

I've had two fires in my kitchens in the last few years, one when the crumbs in the bottom of my toaster caught fire (carried it outside) and one where mice ate the insulation off the wires at the back of the cooker causing a short that set fire to the plastic housing (pulled the cooker out and used my supermarket own brand extinguisher). Both electrical, one by heat one by sparks.

The first was operator error, the second was ancient pre war wiring with cloth insulation.

Edit : I just dislodged the crumbs in my toaster with a chopstick, they were building up either side of the hole that allows them to fall through to the removable cleaning tray. You should all check yours those things are death-traps.

Edit Edit : unplug it first obviously.

but it's not a toaster or a device made to make fire, it's a wire making sparks, once awhile.....

in other news;

Paris’s Notre Dame Cathedral, which was nearly totally lost to fire in April 2019, will be rebuilt as it was, the French government says, defying the calls of modernist architects to seize the opportunity to give the medieval masterpiece a glass and steel overhaul.

 

[Stigbob]

but it's not a toaster or a device made to make fire, it's a wire making sparks, once awhile.....

in other news;

Paris’s Notre Dame Cathedral, which was nearly totally lost to fire in April 2019, will be rebuilt as it was, the French government says, defying the calls of modernist architects to seize the opportunity to give the medieval masterpiece a glass and steel overhaul.

Did you miss the bit about the cooker fire ?.

Fire from sparks :

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=1c9asY4SyyY&feature=emb_title

 

[Morbad]

Does it really matter?

Only if you don't want it to burn down again.

 

[lysan]

Only if you don't want it to burn down again.

Ahhh maybe they can afford some ashtrays and modern wires.

Did you miss the bit about the cooker fire ?.

Fire from sparks :

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=1c9asY4SyyY&feature=emb_title

Flint and steel is not the same, because it create a hot ember that keeps burning for sometime, an electrical spark is almost instant so a different beast.

 

[Stigbob]

Ahhh maybe they can afford some ashtrays and modern wires.

Flint and steel is not the same, because it create a hot ember that keeps burning for sometime, an electrical spark is almost instant so a different beast.

With a flint and steel the spark ignites the kindling creating a hot ember the spark itself isn't an ember.

You do know internal combustion engines use spark plugs right ?.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Paris’s Notre Dame Cathedral, which was nearly totally lost to fire in April 2019, will be rebuilt as it was, the French government says, defying the calls of modernist architects to seize the opportunity to give the medieval masterpiece a glass and steel overhaul.

Indeed this is great news full of common sense.

Even Macron bowed his head.