3rd DLC Pack Discussion - What region do you think it will cover? When do you see it releasing?

Well, we need to keep asking for more animals per pack. 😁

Depends on what price we have to pay for it. :D

I think everyone wants to see more animals in a pack. The only thing I don't like as much, if they add the kangaroo and the wallaby. In a crude simplified manner, a Wallaby is just a small kangaroo. If they add more animals, it shouldn't be a copy or smaller copy. At least not for now, after a couple of DLC you'll bound to encounter "copies".

We might not get an exhibit animal (although there are lots of possibilities, there are already a reasonable number of Australian exhibit animals in the game). I also think that we won't get as many build pieces as we did for SA DLC - probably some Aboriginal themed rocks (cave paintings) and similar... However, I think we'll get quite a lot of plants (i certainly hope so!) - at least 2 eucalypts (fairly generic ones), kangaroo paw, and some other stuff.
Personally wouldn't like it if we receive less building pieces, or more plants. The SA DLC was a good mix of all, except the lack of scenarios was disappointing.
I still don't see Australian/Aboriginal building pieces work as great as the SA building pieces.
 
I honestly wouldn't mind if they added creatures like koalas and sloths as a new kind of animal within the game (from a programming/back-end perspective) with limited animations or ability to move only in certain ways. Anything to have them included!

You'd want some movement of course, but they really don't move all that much anyway...
 
I honestly wouldn't mind if they added creatures like koalas and sloths as a new kind of animal within the game (from a programming/back-end perspective) with limited animations or ability to move only in certain ways. Anything to have them included!

You'd want some movement of course, but they really don't move all that much anyway...

I do agree with this one, I would prefer "limited" koalas and sloths rather than ground dwelling ones from Zoo Tycoon 2. No shade at ZT2 I am well aware of it's limits.

But limited Animations tho. Not terrarium like statues. At least for Koalas. Sloths don't need to have any animations as far as I am concerned 😁
 
I think everyone wants to see more animals in a pack. The only thing I don't like as much, if they add the kangaroo and the wallaby. In a crude simplified manner, a Wallaby is just a small kangaroo. If they add more animals, it shouldn't be a copy or smaller copy. At least not for now, after a couple of DLC you'll bound to encounter "copies".
Rock wallabies have a different behaviour at least, being agile rock climbers. Main species I've seen in zoos is the Yellow-footed rock-wallaby.

If it’s Australia I hope we will get at least a couple of eucalypts and ideally of varying sizes. It’s hard to create a realistic Australian landscape or even an urban zoo without them.
I imagine the central Australian Ghost gum is a more or less guaranteed inclusion. As for other Eucalypts I'm guessing an Ironbark and a Red gum of sorts might be on the table. Assuming Koalas are involved, there'd be a food tree, maybe a River Red gum.
 
But limited Animations tho. Not terrarium like statues. At least for Koalas. Sloths don't need to have any animations as far as I am concerned 😁

I’d definitely want animations for koalas and sloths. We just need a red warning 2 minutes before they start moving so we don’t miss it! :D

I just recently watched a joey trying to climb a tree. It was incredibly active for a long time and incredibly cute!
 
Most of you guys count on region orientated DLC like Australia or North America. But I really do hope for DLC with endangered species only.

I think that would be the most exciting because they could include animals from different continents and also it makes a lot of sense since the conservation efforts of the most zoos should be orientated on endangared species.

I would be also really happy if the number of species would be more than just 4. I hope they will include at least 10 species.

I would be really happy with:

Addax
Scimitar oryx
Somali wild as(s)
Hirola
Arabian oryx
Babirusa
Sloth bear
Malayan tapir
Manned wolf
Amur leopard
Pere David’s Deer
White Rhino
 
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That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.

the conservation efforts of the most zoos should be orientated on endangared (sic) species

This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.
 
That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.



This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.
Hey, take it easy. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and almost every species listed is in fact endangered to some degree (species conservation status changes so often, it can be difficult to keep track of). The Northern White Rhino for example is, in fact, only in existence in the form of two surviving females and frozen gametes and can only be revived by conservation breeding in zoos.

In terms of the rest of your statement, I have to respectfully and professionally disagree: many species have been brought back from extinction by captive breeding efforts (Przewalski Horse, Giant Panda, Whooping Crane, Corroboree Frog, California Condor, Arabian Oryx, Bongo, Blue Iguana, Red Wolf, Regent Honeyeater, Golden Lion Tamarin and Amur Leopard, to name a small few iconic species).

You are right about one thing: there is little point in captive breeding if the reason for population decline is unaddressed habitat loss. We need a holistic approach towards conservation to have a real effect: that includes educating people and having cultural change, protecting habitats, implementing sustainable farming, fishing and land use and also putting a stop to poaching, habitat fragmentation, disease spread, human/wildlife conflict and so many other issues. Conservation focussed zoos have programs that contribute greatly to all of these areas and so much money, staff labour and research go into these programs - I think that is something that can be brought into Planet Zoo in an expansion pack. Not all species are at risk due to habitat loss alone, and many of those species are fantastic candidates for captive breeding success - species like the Bellinger River Turtle, which was almost wiped out by a suddden disease emergence.

You should look up some more captive breeding success stories and read more widely on the efforts of accredited, conservation driven zoos - they do incredible work and are vital wildlife allies!

More to the point of this thread, I think an expansion pack built around endangered species would be awesome! Not just a bunch of endangered animals, but some new interactive educational items to expand on what’s already in game in the form of conservation boards.

Edit: your article “Tragedy of the Common” was an interesting read. I remember the devastating disease outbreaks in the white-rumped vultures. Here is a website that has information about how captive breeding has helped (and is still helping) restore these birds to a healthy population. Conservation breeding requires money, space and research - those resources need to go to the most urgent cases, while we resolve the underlying causes. Those causes never impact the critically endangered species in isolation, but entire ecosystems, so by saving the most desperate species, we lift the other less endangered species up right alongside them and prevent those animals/plants from ever getting to a situation of such high risk of extinction.
 
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Hey, take it easy. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, and almost every species listed is in fact endangered to some degree (species conservation status changes so often, it can be difficult to keep track of). The Northern White Rhino for example is, in fact, only in existence in the form of two surviving females and frozen gametes and can only be revived by conservation breeding in zoos.

In terms of the rest of your statement, I have to respectfully and professionally disagree: many species have been brought back from extinction by captive breeding efforts (Przewalski Horse, Giant Panda, Whooping Crane, Corroboree Frog, California Condor, Arabian Oryx, Bongo, Blue Iguana, Red Wolf, Regent Honeyeater, Golden Lion Tamarin and Amur Leopard, to name a small few iconic species).

You are right about one thing: there is little point in captive breeding if the reason for population decline is unaddressed habitat loss. We need a holistic approach towards conservation to have a real effect: that includes educating people and having cultural change, protecting habitats, implementing sustainable farming, fishing and land use and also putting a stop to poaching, habitat fragmentation, disease spread, human/wildlife conflict and so many other issues. Conservation focussed zoos have programs that contribute greatly to all of these areas and so much money, staff labour and research go into these programs - I think that is something that can be brought into Planet Zoo in an expansion pack. Not all species are at risk due to habitat loss alone, and many of those species are fantastic candidates for captive breeding success - species like the Bellinger River Turtle, which was almost wiped out by a suddden disease emergence.

You should look up some more captive breeding success stories and read more widely on the efforts of accredited, conservation driven zoos - they do incredible work and are vital wildlife allies!

More to the point of this thread, I think an expansion pack built around endangered species would be awesome! Not just a bunch of endangered animals, but some new interactive educational items to expand on what’s already in game in the form of conservation boards.

Edit: your article “Tragedy of the Common” was an interesting read. I remember the devastating disease outbreaks in the white-rumped vultures. Here is a website that has information about how captive breeding has helped (and is still helping) restore these birds to a healthy population. Conservation breeding requires money, space and research - those resources need to go to the most urgent cases, while we resolve the underlying causes. Those causes never impact the critically endangered species in isolation, but entire ecosystems, so by saving the most desperate species, we lift the other less endangered species up right alongside them and prevent those animals/plants from ever getting to a situation of such high risk of extinction.

I had the same thought to be honest. Love your choices, because I want them in the game as well.

But you didn't use any categorization it is just a collection of animals you want.
 
That's an interesting discussion right there. Staying on topic, right now I'd still prefer if geographical DLCs were released, at least until Frontier explicitly covers some of the most underrepresented areas in the game, animals-wise (Australia, Europe, South America again...)

Also, very little is said about the fact that, unless there's some kind of teaser/announcement tomorrow, we won't be having a 3rd pack until no sooner than 28th July.

I won't deny a delay would be totally normal given the circumstances but, as already said by other people in other topics, the lack of communication is also getting on my nerves. I'm obviously not requesting a roadmap for the upcoming two years but this marketing strategy based on sudden, unexpected announcements could well be seen as slackness with the game.
 
That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.



This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.

The California Condor disagrees with your statement that zoos do not save a species.
 
That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.



This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.

I have no idea why but you are being rude. Try being kind it will do you good.

I respect your point of view but I have to disagree.

I wish you all the best since you have obvious anger issues.
 
Most of you guys count on region orientated DLC like Australia or North America. But I really do hope for DLC with endangered species only.

I think that would be the most exciting because they could include animals from different continents and also it makes a lot of sense since the conservation efforts of the most zoos should be orientated on endangared species.

I would be also really happy if the number of species would be more than just 4. I hope they will include at least 10 species.

I would be really happy with:

Addax
Scimitar oryx
Somali wild as(s)
Babyrusa
Sloth bear
Malayan tapir
Manned wolf
Amur leopard
Pere David Deer
White Rhino

I think the issue with that idea is that it excludes a theme for building pieces, which a lot of people care about as much as animals. So that is why a region theme is probably going to be what dlcs are limited to. Though they may do some smaller animal only releases like they did with JWE. I am kinda surprised they havent already.
 
The California Condor disagrees with your statement that zoos do not save a species.

Przewalskis horse, barbary lion, pere davids deers and scimitar horned oryxs only exist in zoos. So off the top of my head I just named four animals that wouldn't exist without zoos.

"Propaganda being promoted by frontier"

Don't you have a maga rally you're missing you genius. We all KNOW frontier developments (the video game developers) hidden agenda with critically endangered species lmaoooooooooo
 
That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.



This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.


Vet girl you have a remedial understanding of zoology. Show me genetically which species are functionally exist according to your genetics background.

Drink all the kool aid next time not just some.
 
Przewalskis horse, barbary lion, pere davids deers and scimitar horned oryxs only exist in zoos. So off the top of my head I just named four animals that wouldn't exist without zoos.

"Propaganda being promoted by frontier"

Don't you have a maga rally you're missing you genius. We all KNOW frontier developments (the video game developers) hidden agenda with critically endangered species lmaoooooooooo
I'm pretty sure Przewalski Horses and Scimitar horned Oryxs where already successful released to the Wild. But it's true that these Species would already be extinct without Zoos. The Mangarahara Cichlid and the Spix-Macaw would also be extinct without Zoos.
 
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That is not an "endangered" species pack. It is just a random list of species that you apparently want.

Addax - Critically Endangered
Scimitar-horned oryx - Extinct in the Wild
Somali wild as(s) - Endangered
Sulawesi Babirusa - Vulnerable (only one of three babirusa species is listed as endangered, and only the Sulawesi species is held in captivity)
Sloth bear - Vulnerable
Malayan tapir - Endangered
Maned wolf - Near Threatened
Amur leopard - Critically Endangered (although IUCN no longer lists individual subspecies)
Pere David's Deer - Extinct in the Wild
White Rhino - Near Threatened (the Black Rhino on the other hand is critically endangered)

The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) is globally recognized source for listing species.
Extinct in the wild (EW) – Known only to survive in captivity, or as a naturalized population outside its historic range
Critically endangered (CR) – Extremely high risk of extinction in the wild
Endangered (EN) – High risk of extinction in the wild
Vulnerable (VU) – High risk of endangerment in the wild
Near threatened (NT) – Likely to become endangered in the near future
Least concern (LC) – Lowest risk; does not qualify for a higher risk category.



This is a dangerously misinformed statement, and propaganda that is at least unintentionally already being promoted by Frontier. Zoos do not save* species, and Frontier promoting the message that endangered species can be bred infinitely in captivity and then released back into the wild is as ridiculous as it is irresponsible. Nearly all megafauna (and many smaller species) on Earth is or will be threatened with extinction in the near future. Focus on endangered species means we are already too late. Most of these species are already "functionally" extinct and have no viable habitat left. In fact many experts now agree the focusing on any species is the wrong approach; we need to focus on saving habitats and whole ecosystems. If you think just because a species "seems" prolific it is safe from the devastating impact of humanity, you're wrong. Here is a great article to illustrate that point: Tragedy of the Common

* in terms of meaningful, genetically-viable, stable populations

p.s. nutrit there is this handy thing called spellcheck. It's what the red squiggly lines mean.

I liked your statement because it goes beyond the goal of saving animals from extinction to underline the importance that we make sure to save their natural habitats first. Just had a conversation with a zoo keeper today. I asked him whether they breed some of the endangered reptiles in the zoo. He said, no. Some of them are actually extremely prolific breeders, that’s why zoos in general only keep females. But they don’t have any natural habitat left into which they could be released.

But there are definitely also species that were saved by zoos and have been released and re-established in their original habitats. Zoos play an important role in conservation efforts.
 
Most zoos are not bad. The Phoenix Zoo saved the Arabian Oryx from extinction.
 
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Nobody says all zoos are bad. But Frontiers idea of conversation is underdeveloped. It's not possible to just breed and release animals because a) zoo born animals often lack survival skills and b) they are endangered because of habitat loose. There is simply nowhere to release them.

Habitat conservation is of course outside of the scope of this game. But I think Frontier should have added some money costs to releasing animals to "simulate" this efforts. This costs should scale with the distance of the zoo to the animals habitat
 
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