Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

[Tippis]

Which just shows how little Amazon cares about Lumberyard or SC, surely? Or are we still pretending this is somehow a great "partnership" and Bezos at any point in his day thinks about Chris?

And let's not forget that New World had to be delayed for a year, and that Crucible — their other marquee product — was such a spectacular success that they had to un-release it and bring it back to closed beta. Surely the sign a mature and working technical foundation, and a sign that they were really giving this gaming business their full attention.

e:f;b

 

[ECity]

The latest patch is apparently available for concierge and subscribers.

EDIT: Or maybe not. Seems like a SC leaks hiccup.

 

[WotGTheAgent]

There's so little "game" in Star Citizen, the most interesting talking points are all about the business or technical debt.

Or, I guess, buying ships that don't exist in-game yet or have any unique mechanics attached to them, and theorycrafting the amazing times you'll have when those darn pipelines are finally fully opened.

 

[Asp Explorer]

There's so little "game" in Star Citizen, the most interesting talking points are all about the business or technical debt.

You should create an Org, and put out adverts for likeminded souls to join you on your quest and answer the call to rid the 'Verse of the evil Vandull and norty griefers!

You can buy a big space yacht and feel important. You can even have lower ranking Org members mop* the floor for you as you so richly deserve, as you spend your valuable time conversing with other Org leaders about how to best use your combined resources to blockade all the jump gates from Stanton, demand taxation upon other, less important Orgs, and commence your plan to take over every base in the Pyro system from the comfort of your space yacht jacuzzi. Maybe even sneak in a friendly game of Space Pool for Winner Takes All of the proceeds of slaughtering those barbarians in Nyx.

*mopping may not quite be implemented yet.

 

[sovapid]

Hearing combat is even worse in 3.10.

Completely unbelievable and totally believable at the same time.

 

[LittleAnt]

Well you said they'd get only to 200 or 300. Now you are changing the numbers. Sorry, but 200 per instance means the selling of $3000 dreams is a scam.

It's really exausting here to have to weight each sentences/words before writting it...
I've said 'I hope' 200 per instances if they completly fail. And above all I minimized the number to not be called immediatly a dreamer by all the netcode specialists in this forum.
For me classic instances will be enough for what I like in SC. But for sure CIG and everyone wants more and I want CIG to succeed. So forget my 200 by instance and change it by the x00. This number better suits you ?

 

[MTBFritz]

What can I say ? That I'm bored to death and I feel cheated when I test the alpha ? I have fun, it's not my fault. And I 'm not the only one to have fun...

"I m having fun" does not equal "everything is fine" or "there are no problems". You seem to have the tendency to justify every problem or issue that you see with your enjoyment. Which is your right its just not understandable to many when you see potential risks/threats/issues and willingly decide to ignore them. Whats also fascinating is that you seem to trust the developers and mistrust Chris Roberts. You are aware that Chris Roberts is the god of this project. The devs dont even peep without his approval or direction. Everybody seems to tip-toe around questions or is unsure what to say precisely because people dont get what Chris Roberts wants or is getting at.

If CR is unable to understand something or cannot transport his wishes then the rest of the project is in trouble. You shouldnt really ignore him while trusting the rest of the people working directly under his command. I cant really see how thats going to work out. Do you think the devs ignore CRs rambling and "do their own thing" until they get it right? With CRs rep of being a micromanager?

Your use of "fun" is equal to "faith" really but thats something that I observe among many people who stick with CIG despite everything we can see. Some people have faith, others dont. You cannot explain it and faith helps you to look over anything that might threaten the projects success. Its just that we are talking about a video game here....not faith nor religion. Hope doesnt really come into the equation when we have a lot of proficient people discussing the topic and presumed experts working on the project itself. If we are reduced to "hope" it means that we have no answers or information. For a transparent project that SC supposedly is that alone is a fightening aspect.

 

[ECity]

This number better suits you ?

It's not a matter of what suits me, but what justifies selling $35,000 ship packages. And $3000 80 crewmember ships.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

It's really exausting here to have to weight each sentences/words before writting it...
I've said 'I hope' 200 per instances if they completly fail. And above all I minimized the number to not be called immediatly a dreamer by all the netcode specialists in this forum.
For me classic instances will be enough for what I like in SC. But for sure CIG and everyone wants more and I want CIG to succeed. So forget my 200 by instance and change it by the x00. This number better suits you ?

Probably best trying to answer using as few words as possible, since the more you write, the more people will have to analyze and question.

Like when someone asks you how many systems do you think CIG can make in a year, give a number and a brief foundation for your reasoning than can be expanded upon if questioned by focusing on specific answers to specific questions.

If you write MTBFritz level resposnses, you're going to leave yourself wide open.

By the way, i missed several pages, did you ever answer the question "What would be the breaking point for you?"

 

[MTBFritz]

It's really exausting here to have to weight each sentences/words before writting it...

Why do you think I write walls of text man? Its in order to give these savages as little attack area as possible. These folks dont read minds. They go by what you provide. If you just throw out numbers and are unable to back em up then you are going to get hard questions. So many white knights before you made that mistake thinking they can ** their way out of the argument when that was the worst thing they could ve done. Either you stay with facts or you provide logical conclusions for your own opinion. If you say something that is inconclusive or appears unrealistic then people will challenge that.

edit: forum cencorship got me ** is equal to "cow manure"

 

[WotGTheAgent]

It's really exausting here to have to weight each sentences/words before writting it...
I've said 'I hope' 200 per instances if they completly fail. And above all I minimized the number to not be called immediatly a dreamer by all the netcode specialists in this forum.
For me classic instances will be enough for what I like in SC. But for sure CIG and everyone wants more and I want CIG to succeed. So forget my 200 by instance and change it by the x00. This number better suits you ?

I mean, no matter the number, they will still run into the issues I presented earlier (and more!) if they don't get server meshing done (which you are saying they can't do but hope they can do, and think they'll settle for a more traditional instance model).

All games go through a cutting period. A lot of the time, the best, coolest stuff gets left on the floor. Unfortunately for Star Citizen, they've pre-sold items that might never come into existence. This is where the "scam" language enters into the conversation. If they took money for items they knew they could never produce, what else would you call it? Complete ignorance and mismanagement? Overconfidence in their own abilities?

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Why do you think I write walls of text man? Its in order to give these savages as little attack area as possible. These folks dont read minds. They go by what you provide. If you just throw out numbers and are unable to back em up then you are going to get hard questions. So many white knights before you made that mistake thinking they can their way out of the argument when that was the worst thing they could ve done. Either you stay with facts or you provide logical conclusions for your own opinion. If you say something that is inconclusive or appears unrealistic then people will challenge that.

Noooo! Don't go advising him to write longer posts! One of you is enough!

 

[Tippis]

For me classic instances will be enough for what I like in SC. But for sure CIG and everyone wants more

Too bad they're only capable of less. Much, much less.

No matter what, the fundamental problem is that CI¬G sold assets before they had set up any kind of sensible specs or design goals, much less had even the slightest idea of they were capable of delivering. No matter how many dreams you assign to them, or how much you try to white-wash it with meaningless fluff terms like “ambition” or “unexpected success”, that act alone, in and of itself, pushes the entire project well up against (and over) the “scam” territory border.

 

[LittleAnt]

"I m having fun" does not equal "everything is fine" or "there are no problems".

You are totally true. But when I say "I have fun" I just say that. I don't say "everything is fine" because everything is not fine and there are problems.
It's like saying having fun in SC is forbidden here.

 

[Tippis]

It's like saying having fun in SC is forbidden here.

It's not forbidden. Just completely meaningless and of zero information value since it says absolutely nothing about SC.

 

[MTBFritz]

Probably best trying to answer using as few words as possible, since the more you write, the more people will have to analyze and question.

Yeah I dont get that. The less you write the more questions come up. Because you are going to have to fill the gaps that you didnt fill in your first (small) post. If you write a lot you simply need to stay on topic or provide as much information as possible. Also its a mistake to see this exchange as "attacks". Questions might come up but you are entitled to your opinion. If you claim stuff that seems unrealistic or illogical and people press you about them and make the effort to provide information, background, context or reasoning stubbornly refusing to accept any facts or reality (we actually DO HAVE netcode specialists in this forum, there is no need to be sarcastic) you dont need to change your opinion but acknowledging reality would be the polite thing to do.

If you particpate in such arguments/discussions and are unwilling to change your view/perspective no matter what I really wonder why you participate in the first place. Its just going to end in a debate where you feel that people gang up on you.

Noooo! Don't go advising him to write longer posts! One of you is enough!

Alright then Mr-I-post-all-by-my-willy-self-if-nobody-else-wants-to-post I might make walls but I m not as frequent as you are. This constant MTB-mobbing has to stop I m serious

You are totally true. But when I say "I have fun" I just say that. I don't say "everything is fine" because everything is not fine and there are problems.
It's like saying having fun in SC is forbidden here.

Maybe you didnt notice but nobody is denying you your fun. Instead you keep discussing technical capabilities and judge SCs potential on a basis that others seem to disagree with. And when you are given examples or scenarios you retreat to the "I m having fun" position which isnt the issue anymore.

 

[WotGTheAgent]

I mean, I'm having fun in Star Citizen. It's a completely broken, hilarious, flaming trash heap that I hope burns forever. I've actually never had so much entertainment by playing a game so little.

 

[MTBFritz]

I mean, I'm having fun in Star Citizen. It's a completely broken, hilarious, flaming trash heap that I hope burns forever. I've actually never had so much entertainment by playing a game so little.

No issue with that

 

[Arcondes]

Which just shows how little Amazon cares about Lumberyard or SC, surely? Or are we still pretending this is somehow a great "partnership" and Bezos at any point in his day thinks about Chris?

The backers in spectrum believe this and that sc could sell their advanced tech and code

 

[ECity]

For me classic instances will be enough for what I like in SC.

You are fine with snake oil salesmen, regardless of what claims they make or how much they charge, if they eventually deliver you milk (which fulfills none of the claims, but you like milk).