Yep. That was definitely antagonistic, no doubt about it.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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To the gentlemen that have a right to be offended, I am sorry to have caused you affront. I was trying for humor. Both of you were in private as you promised in public.
It is a shame that the conversation is so poisoned that I cannot put forth anything that might be misconstrued. I put the word antagonized in quotes specifically because I was using the word sarcastically. In the future, I won't presume even that level of understanding.
Here's to you, people. May your tomorrow be better than your today.
It is a shame that the conversation is so poisoned that I cannot put forth anything that might be misconstrued. I put the word antagonized in quotes specifically because I was using the word sarcastically. In the future, I won't presume even that level of understanding.
Here's to you, people. May your tomorrow be better than your today.
The only reason it's poisoned is because of you and other players like yourself. The gankers in this thread have been mostly civil and attempting to be helpful and yourself and others want to just spew hate at gankers. It's ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Sorry, but context cues are easy to miss, especially when threads being replied to are quoted in part and possibly not read or understood in the manner in which you were intending.
The comment seemed like either a mistake or a misunderstanding - I didn't want to assume either way. But, since the comment could be interpreted by a reasonable person to be meant exactly as it was written - meaning, an allegation of malfeasance and dishonesty directed at me - I felt it necessary to clear my name.
I am sure you can understand, given the above context, where I'm coming from. It was obviously a simple mistake and I'm glad we cleared it up!
No harm, no foul.
I got gang ganked last night. sucked. I didn't like it. Some are cool, some are fumunda cheese.
FWIW I spent the last 3hrs doing nonstop arranged PVP in my "Gamer Lance" and my tiny little ganker brain is melting. I landed some PA shots, which were nice.
Then we went to Deciat... oh boy. My evening ended in the center of a ball of an enemy wing of 3 orbiting me and focusing me down with rails and PAs from all directions. Then I got sent to the detention center because I managed to pick up a 200cr bounty somehow.
Just Deciat things.
(And this wasn't even at actual prime time. If people are reading this thread and thinking about going to Deciat for the first time to unlock Farseer, please understand: it's a warzone nearly 24/7. Prepare yourself, LOL)
Then we went to Deciat... oh boy. My evening ended in the center of a ball of an enemy wing of 3 orbiting me and focusing me down with rails and PAs from all directions. Then I got sent to the detention center because I managed to pick up a 200cr bounty somehow.
Just Deciat things.
(And this wasn't even at actual prime time. If people are reading this thread and thinking about going to Deciat for the first time to unlock Farseer, please understand: it's a warzone nearly 24/7. Prepare yourself, LOL)
I don't mind, as long as it can be permanently turned off, along with other useless notifications that keep obstructing our view.
Stupid messages like "scan detected" or "cargo acquired" go away.
It'd be no more obstructive than the "ANARCHY: Press J to cancel" that every explorer gets on every jump outside the bubble while their FSD is charging.
"Insult, insult, invective, blah." LOL no u. Galahad explains it succinctly and simply. Won't =/= can't.A whole lot of waffle, right there. And still failing to understand the basic point that: challenge is only ever personal. You seem to be confusing what you think about your own ideas, your own measures, your own values and your own perceptions of the game mechanics with some kind of 'fact' around any of it. None of that's actually relevant. The " It presents the greatest challenge to your completion of any gameplay loop because it is the most likely to result in your ship's destruction" is one of the most hilariously silly things I've ever read.
I get that you might think you're 'dismantling criticisms' and imagine I'm keeping score in some weird debating society, but as you pointed out (but probably missed the point of) - it's a forum, context is important - and this is a thread that asked for views from people who don't PvP/Gank about what they get out of open.
If, in response to their answers - you blather on and try to devalue things they think are challenging as just 'personal', or stuff anybody could do, etc - and go on about how they can only experience real, objective, non-personal challenge (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) by following your suggestions....yup....that's your hubris at play, right there.
I'll take one last stab at trying to help you see this, although I realise it's probably futile.
If the only thing lacking in the Hauler example is motivation; then the challenge lies in developing the motivation to do it. This is why you can't do it. For those who do - they've done something you couldn't. They win the galactic circumnavigation achieve you can't. The fact that there are haulers, and a galaxy, and it's possible mean that this challenge is equally there - by design.
Anyone can't do it, just for different reasons other than the ones you put so much stock in. It might not require what you term knowledge or skill, but it demands other things.
The things you think are important are as irrelevant to that long-distance traveller as their challenge is to you. Whether that's meaningful to you is irrelevant - their sense of challenge is equal to yours, and their sense of achievement if they do it equally so. I'm not devaluing the challenge of PvP by saying so. Different strokes for different folks.
I'm not actually trying to 'compete' with you here in arguments. It's good you're off to bed really. That way you can stop making yourself look any more of a misguided blowhard
No, that's why he won't do it.
While I was reading your post, I was listening to a guitar cover of Slash's Anastasia performed by a young lady. She was doing an awesome job for all I can tell.
Your post made me wonder what she would say if I asked her to pick the A string 5000 times (the number of notes in that song - wild guess). Maybe she'd say no, but would it mean that she cannot do it? Well, I doubt it.
By the same token, if she asked you to perform that cover, it's a fair assumption you are not in the small percentage of the population who is capable. "Can't," not "wouldn't if you could."
I wish I were, but sadly I'm not, lol.
It's better readable on tablet out in the garden.
That's why I barely play an hour per day at the moment
But... That means you're not online when people want to shoot you! It's an exploit!That's why I barely play an hour per day at the moment
I let this sit several hours to ensure that I am not responding emotionally.
Let's try this again. Sir Ganksalot claims that I am hate mongering. This thread started as a request for understanding.
Convince me that there is some reason, as your victim, that I should like having you:
I am not asking for your argument, nor debating, the play style's legality, that there is some dynamic you believe it supports, or any other justification you use; you have laid forth an argument that it is wrong for me to dislike your behavior, prove that statement.
Let's try this again. Sir Ganksalot claims that I am hate mongering. This thread started as a request for understanding.
Convince me that there is some reason, as your victim, that I should like having you:
- Destroy my exploration data, resulting in loss of weeks, if not more, of activity
- Cost me any progress on missions I might have
- Cost me any cargo I am carrying
- Cost me a rebuy
I am not asking for your argument, nor debating, the play style's legality, that there is some dynamic you believe it supports, or any other justification you use; you have laid forth an argument that it is wrong for me to dislike your behavior, prove that statement.
Look at the security report on Inara where most of the PvP attacks happen: best places to buy modules for your ship, lower level engineers and popular mining areas. These are all places where newer pilots and non PvP are the norm. 90% of the encounters I have had with PvP players have been negative. New, unmodified ships or ones with minimal engineering destroyed. I have had heavily engineered ships that I could take out Elite Fed Corvette's with no issues destroyed in 15 seconds because I have not wanted to do the grind to get Guardian items or unlock Tech Brokers. I have had a few interactions with PvP pilots that once they interdicted me and I showed no interest in fighting them they left me alone but that has been the extreme minority of my interactions. I may play in Open when doing wing missions with the squadron I am in but generally stay in solo. Even when I have been in open play in the last few months I have rarely encountered any players at all though I stayed away from the areas where high attack rates happen. I have other things I want to do in game than fight other players anyway so I have no interest in PvP.
You don't have to like it. If you click Open Play though, you're taking your chances. It's only wise to accept it. That's all there is to it. The game is working as intended.
As far as extending that to the person behind the screen and taking a personal dislike to them, you're just not being fair and keeping things in perspective. You both bought the game and are entitled to play it as you see fit within the rules set by the developers. That's it.
Heck, Braben just talked about causing trouble in Elite the "tradititional way." You can't conclude he meant anything other than ganking and other similarly antagonistic activities. If that makes you emotionally distraught or inspires loathing in other players, Elite isn't for you.