Shady move over at Oculus today...

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Well to be completely honest @Old Duck , we are in a forum where expensive pheriperials (headtrackers, hotases or custom overpriced flight gear) and multimonitor setups or projectors seem to be the norm and you brought money into the discussion. We had that discussion already in the other thread, let's leave it at that.

As for the solution, well Facebook account doesn't cost money tbh. I know it is a stand for some (myself included - I haven't logged in for years and account is deactivated) so technically you don't have to sell your rift s with the platform investment you made with games.

This is by the way another advantage of SteamVR based headsets - your games will work on compatible SteamVR devices, which currently includes all the headsets on the market. You can also run Oculus games through a free software called revive, but that's a hit or miss sometimes. This doesn't change the fact that you will have to use facebook to login to your library, unfortunately. But at least if you change to better headset you will be able to still play your games without rebuying them on more open platforms.
 

Dagwit

Dagwit
Old Duck said:
a company ruining an otherwise good product (I for one LIKE my Rift S hardware) by making a stupid and legally questionable requirement of tying a person's real identity to that hardware for the purpose of collecting data on that person.
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Hear hear!

I've never had an account on what British journalist Andrew Neil refers to as "the Farcebook" and I don't plan to.

Incidentally, I liked the Rift S too - I had to send mine back 'cos it ate my computer's USB drivers.

I'm far from rich and took the decision to invest in a Reverb and a computer to run it (something I could only afford to do because I don't run a car or basically spend money on anything but essentials) with great reluctance: the moment I read Zac Antonaci's August 2018 letter I knew someone was going to be screwed.

I didn't think they'd drop VR but I did consider the possibility that the Next Era might be a next-gen console exclusive. I was in fact seriously surprised when I saw the PS4 logo on the teaser trailer - given the age of the game I thought that Frontier would be taking advantage of the new consoles to leave the age of endlessly recurring bugs and Elephant butt leather behind them.

But apparently a game whose great strength is its unique vehicular gameplay just isn't complete without having the millionth first-person experience tacked on to it.
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
VR StarLightPL said:
As for the solution, well Facebook account doesn't cost money tbh. I know it is a stand for some (myself included - I haven't logged in for years and account is deactivated) so technically you don't have to sell your rift s with the platform investment you made with games.
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My soul is worth more to me than money, LOL. I have zero intention to sign up for Facebook to use my Rift, I'll just go back to exclusive 2D gaming if it comes to that (I'm not a "VR only" guy like some of you). Thankfully I shouldn't have to, since my anonymous Oculus account should be grandfathered for another two years, and by then I'll have gotten my money's worth out of my Rift S and will likely either be looking for an upgrade or I'll be over this "VR fad" by then :p

On a serious note, I hope somebody releases a 3rd party open-source driver for the Rift S, allowing me to use it with my Steam VR games without any need for Oculus software. I've always been bugged that I need the full Oculus Store app running in the background to use a piece of hardware. I don't own any Oculus games except a few demos, so I have no need for their software.
 

VR CMDR Novindus

VR CMDR Novindus
On the topic of money, I find that patience can save quite a bit of it on the cost of devices.

It’s often a difficult thing to justify when you have the responsibility of providing for your family, and having to spare a thought for the rainy days, not to mention your own retirement.

But you have to try to enjoy your time. I wait for the big sales, I take advantage of interest free deals, and generally I work off the honest basis that “I don’t need it”, so that I’m less susceptible to impulse buys, or buying now when I can almost certainly get a better deal a bit later if I’m patient enough.

I like having the best gear I can reasonably get, but I also have a thing for minimalism and making do - sometimes it’s more fun to go that way, and though it may sound weird to some, I think it’s something you can appreciate more, though that could be a sentiment that comes with growing up not having much. I like seeing the Elite Dangerous setups that are just a basic laptop and a keyboard and mouse with some headphones.

Still though, I can’t bring myself to play Elite on a monitor again - even my 43” 4K screen that I took with me from the office for working from home, and I did try it. The Rift can still be somewhat blurry, and the actual horizontal FOV as opposed to the advertised diagonal measurement, sometimes makes me feel like I’m looking at my cockpit through a rectangular hole in a box, so that G2 is calling.
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
As an aside about FB, it is interesting what @Old Duck says about the complete invasion of privacy that goes on, however, that is only wen it suits them.

A chap at work was telling m about his teenage daughter that saw something on FB marketplace that looked too good to be true, being young and foolish, she parted with money, naturally, it turned out to be too good to be true. When the chap first contacted FB about it, they tried to wash their hands of it saying that account information was very limited and that it was most unlikely that they'd be able track the fraudster down. Bah Bah Black Sheep have you any Bullspit.

I bet they know the guy's shoe size.
 

sgurr

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[VR] CMDR Novindus said:
On the topic of money, I find that patience can save quite a bit of it on the cost of devices.

It’s often a difficult thing to justify when you have the responsibility of providing for your family, and having to spare a thought for the rainy days, not to mention your own retirement.

But you have to try to enjoy your time. I wait for the big sales, I take advantage of interest free deals, and generally I work off the honest basis that “I don’t need it”, so that I’m less susceptible to impulse buys, or buying now when I can almost certainly get a better deal a bit later if I’m patient enough.

I like having the best gear I can reasonably get, but I also have a thing for minimalism and making do - sometimes it’s more fun to go that way, and though it may sound weird to some, I think it’s something you can appreciate more, though that could be a sentiment that comes with growing up not having much. I like seeing the Elite Dangerous setups that are just a basic laptop and a keyboard and mouse with some headphones.

Still though, I can’t bring myself to play Elite on a monitor again - even my 43” 4K screen that I took with me from the office for working from home, and I did try it. The Rift can still be somewhat blurry, and the actual horizontal FOV as opposed to the advertised diagonal measurement, sometimes makes me feel like I’m looking at my cockpit through a rectangular hole in a box, so that G2 is calling.
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Really good post and advice.

On the subject of being patient HP always seem to do v.good black Friday deals. I waited last year and my Reverb Gen1 cost the same as a Rift S (in the UK). It also meant they'd solved the initial production problems. Wait until the gen2 hype has died down and keep an eye on sales, or even wait till black friday 2021, they won't stop making it before then.
 

VR CMDR Novindus

VR CMDR Novindus
[VR] sgurr said:
Really good post and advice.

On the subject of being patient HP always seem to do v.good black Friday deals. I waited last year and my Reverb Gen1 cost the same as a Rift S (in the UK). It also meant they'd solved the initial production problems. Wait until the gen2 hype has died down and keep an eye on sales, or even wait till black friday 2021, they won't stop making it before then.
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Yep. Got my Rift with Touch controllers and two sensors (as well as a third sensor) on a Black Friday deal using Zip Money, and got my PC the following year, also from a Black Friday sale, and on longer term interest free instalments.

It’s better if you can manage not to take on too much at one time. Pay it off, then shop the deals for the next bit of kit you’re after.

It’s also good advice you gave to wait for 2nd gen if possible, or at least until a good number of consumer reviews are out, so you can judge whether any issues others have experienced might be a problem for your usage.
 

znôrt

znôrt
october 2nd my reverb2 is due. how convenient! :ROFLMAO:

i do have a fb account. and yeah, it's even less relevant than my frontier forums account. they're in for some truly random arx mining my data. 🤡

i had already decided to dump oculus a while ago anyway. and screw facebook too. actually, as an early and idealistic fan of the internet it's been a long time i wouldn't mind to see the whole marketplace burn. i'll build my own casino!
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
rrobes said:
Corrected the attribute in the post earlier this AM, before I went to bed, after I told myself something is off!

Saw your comment subsequently, sharp-eyed forumites are always on duty, thanks!
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Its easy to mix them up. Very similar shows. Both classics.
 

znôrt

znôrt
Old Duck said:
Regardless of wealth, I find your argument a very poor defense of the topic at hand - a company ruining an otherwise good product (I for one LIKE my Rift S hardware)
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that company is facebook. you can't really say you didn't know what you were up to. they acquired oculus 2 years before even the cv1 released. the quest already spelled the shift in strategy. and, budget being a concern, you went and bought a rift-s ... way to miss a shot, bro.

i won't even get into the social justice thing. this is bloody entertainment. welcome to capitalism on a cutting edge sector no less, where product relevance is measured in months. face it, they only love you for your money. :p

your mod is cool, though, i have to admit. 💕
 

CMDR Harada

CMDR Harada
VR StarLightPL said:
Your research was really vague, somehow you skipped the whole more affordable WMR section, and also decided Index isn't worthy of consideration, probably because it's priced similarly to what HTC is used to charging with their substandard products.
WMR's like Samsung Odyssey+ and HP Reverb G1 and G2 are still viable alternatives if Index is above the budget.
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I use the O+ and it's an excellent little headset. And I got it for almost a song. MS was offering them 'in store' for $399, including controllers, around Xmas a few years back. Walked in and out in 15 minutes. Told the wife I "took care of my own Xmas gift". Not going to say it's a perfect, but it's damn good for the price. Me and my son love it, and it's always fun to demo stuff for friends when they come over. No way I could have justified $900 for some of the other headsets, plus towers and controllers. WMR is an option if you want to jump into VR and can't splash big bucks.

You can do it 'cheaper' if you're careful and do your research. But VR is an expensive hobby. By the time you add up the computer to drive it with a good video card, then add the VR rig... and finally some nice peripherals ( even a cheap joystick is another $100 ).. yeah, you're pushing thousands. Easily.
 

znôrt

znôrt
Old Duck said:
My soul is worth more to me than money, LOL. I have zero intention to sign up for Facebook to use my Rift, I'll just go back to exclusive 2D gaming if it comes to that (I'm not a "VR only" guy like some of you).
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dude, what a silly hill to die on. just create a fake account just for that. yeah, they will link it to your oculus usage ... since you won't use that account, it will contribute nothing to the detailed monitoring of your playing habits they already have. you get away with enjoying your product just as you have done until now.

if it is a personal stance, then i'll understand, and will applaud while you heroically collapse on that little hill, at sunset, with epic and inspiring background music. and facebook logging it all, of course :ROFLMAO:
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
CMDR Harada said:
By the time you add up the computer to drive it with a good video card, then add the VR rig... and finally some nice peripherals ( even a cheap joystick is another $100 ).. yeah, you're pushing thousands. Easily.
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I'd only like to point out (again) that if anyone has a remote interest in gaming, they need to change/upgrade the computer every few years. I'd love for my 2012 i5-3570k to be used indefinitely, but it was high time for it to go, last year. It has served me well, but that's the "circle of life", VR or not. Tech ages faster than dogs, accept it. Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. And my old i5 lives a retirement life as "planet zoo console" for the missus :p
 

CMDR Harada

CMDR Harada
VR StarLightPL said:
I'd only like to point out (again) that if anyone has a remote interest in gaming, they need to change/upgrade the computer every few years. I'd love for my 2012 i5-3570k to be used indefinitely, but it was high time for it to go, last year. It has served me well, but that's the "circle of life", VR or not. Tech ages faster than dogs, accept it. Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. And my old i5 lives a retirement life as "planet zoo console" for the missus :p
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Oh heck yeah. I'm a Sr Engineer in a multi-national IT firm. If you get 5 years out of a workstation it's amazing. 3-4years is average. Budget for 3.

I was agreeing with your earlier post, that gaming in general, and VR in specific, is not a cheap hobby. I've got a VKB HOTAS, 32in main monitor, dual 27in secondaries, OMEN keyboard ( fell in love with the key action and had to have it )... the list goes on.
 
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