Shady move over at Oculus today...

Surefoot

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Lucifera Danzig said:
...announcing the integration of Oculus into Facebook, in direct contradiction to what they promised back when they bought it.
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Old Duck said:
Starting in October you're going to need to log in with your Facebook account to use it :p
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We all knew it when FB bought Oculus back then, so many of us called it. It's exactly why i wont ever buy any other Oculus product again.
Reverb G2 here i am. Tried a friend's Index, it's awesome, a real bump in quality, and has got best in class comfort and room scale tracking by far, but i have no room for that myself, so i only do simulators and space games (sitting games, basically), so the inferior hand tracking of the Reverb wands dont bother me. And for simulation purposes, the Reverb G2 shines, and it's got the same comfort as the Index now.
 
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Navigare Necesse Est

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Surefoot said:
We all knew it when FB bought Oculus back then, so many of us called it. It's exactly why i wont ever buy any other Oculus product again.
Reverb G2 here i am. Tried a friend's Index, it's awesome, a real bump in quality, and has got best in class comfort and room scale tracking by far, but i have no room for that myself, so i only do simulators and space games (sitting games, basically), so the inferior hand tracking of the Reverb wands dont bother me. And for simulation purposes, the Reverb G2 shines, and it's got the same comfort as the Index now.
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And I bet they promised not to make it dependable on FB accounts back then.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Navigare Necesse Est said:
And I bet they promised not to make it dependable on FB accounts back then.
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Palmer promised when he still was a CEO, and explains in detail below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/ic4ye1/_/g20dysu
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/ic4ye1/new_oculus_users_required_to_use_a_facebook/g20dysu/

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The Lawful

The Lawful
As a CV1 user since 3 1/2 years, it might be time for a new headset anyway (not that it falls apart even after 2k hours with it in ED, but still) and now I'm actually glad for FD cancelling VR support, as that made me re-evaluate and postpone that step in the end. In some way, using an Oculus headset with FB in the back always felt a little like running with the devil to me (makes no difference what domain name comes behind the graph.* server the data gets sent to, ts'all the same in the end), but it was the best option back then. ED has been my main game for years, so it would have clearly influenced | determined my choice. For DCS and IL-2, maybe MSFS one day, the CV1 is still sufficient, and after that, I'm not limited to FD's supported platforms anymore. Which opens the gate for HP Reverb G2 and other next-gen devices. Wait and see, as I understand it, I get a grace period of two years using my Oculus account and the CV1 may be EOLed by then anyway. So it's all good and fine. Won't buy another Oculus device anymore, ofc.

On a sidenote, I have not left the game, but took a complete break from ED since two months for different reasons, some RL and some directly connected to the utter disappointment about the future of VR in ED. I don't know how long that will take, TBH. Saw the Dev Diary and while the views are impressive, everybody stressing the new sense of scale it will bring makes me a little worried. I had that in VR since years. And we could do planetary exploration in the SRV for a similar period.

And on another sidenote, Sandro obviously changed his Twitter name and now goes by the tag of Ruinous Loach. 🍺


O7,
🙃
 
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The Lawful

The Lawful
Navigare Necesse Est said:
Why would I need to log into some account to use a display device in the first place is beyond me.
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I can only tell for Oculus, but it seems it might send images from the Constellation sensors to some backend servers and has to do so because of reasons. FB | Oculus deny doing so at the time being, ofc, but the Terms of Usage would theoretically allow for it. Besides, you have that nice and pricey Oculus store in Oculus Home, what's not to like about it? Even though I never bought anything from it.

www.vice.com

Should You Worry About Your Oculus Sensor Spying on You? We Asked the Expert

Researcher who discovered you can get clear images through the Oculus Rift's sensors discusses the pros and cons of a camera-based system.
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No worries, it's all for your best ;)

O7,
🙃
 
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[VR] The Lawful said:
I can only tell for Oculus, but it seems it might send images from the Constellation sensors to some backend servers and has to do so because of reasons. FB | Oculus deny doing so at the time being, ofc, but the Terms of Usage would theoretically allow for it. Besides, you have that nice and pricey Oculus store in Oculus Home, what's not to like about it? Even though I never bought anything from it.

www.vice.com

Should You Worry About Your Oculus Sensor Spying on You? We Asked the Expert

Researcher who discovered you can get clear images through the Oculus Rift's sensors discusses the pros and cons of a camera-based system.
www.vice.com www.vice.com

No worries, it's all for your best ;)

O7,
🙃
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Those scamming mails trying to blackmail about erotic media usage makes more sense now.
 

milligna

milligna
Man, I'm glad I switched to Index. No wonder Brendan Iribe was so down in the dumps when I spoke to him right before his exit. PC VR simply isn't anything Zuck cares about any more.

Fine, let 'em pretend they are targeting mass audiences with hardware and software with zero appeal for mass audiences.
 
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shreddog

shreddog
Da heck.. 😾

Guess I'm done with "Oculus" then.
It's a shame, cause the Rift S was a damn good headset.

Now what.. back to the low res Vive, or the black smear Odyssey 2 :unsure:
 

Lucifera Danzig

Lucifera Danzig
shreddog said:
Da heck.. 😾

Guess I'm done with "Oculus" then.
It's a shame, cause the Rift S was a damn good headset.

Now what.. back to the low res Vive, or the black smear Odyssey 2 :unsure:
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I was told to look into the HP Reverb G2, and it so far has a great deal of promise...a little cheaper than Vive, much higher resolution than Vive or Rift. G2 is due for release shortly.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
milligna said:
Fine, let 'em pretend they are targeting mass audiences with hardware and software with zero appeal for mass audiences.
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Actually, Quest numbers seem to rise rapidly. I had my hands on one for a while, it's a neat lil' device which doesn't require a computer. A nice way to get hooked on VR. And the appeal (console-like VR gaming) is there, I think. Even if there isn't, fb marketing campaign will create the appeal lol :D
 

milligna

milligna
It's nowhere near mainstream numbers and Facebook doesn't market it much. Why haven't they been appeal to create the appeal so far? Sony's little side project peripheral does better!

I grabbed one at launch and it was fun for showing folks some demos but mine gathers dust. I think it's just too uncomfortable for long sessions and of course 2020 killed all travel plans and demos with friends anyway. Maybe they'll do better with the next one, but what they really need is a rich lineup of must-have software to drive purchases. A very hard problem to solve, there's only so much Beat Saber you can take.

Obviously a light standalone is an ideal thing to reach for but they are many more years away from the stuff that'll sell huge numbers than the glazed eye evangelists like to think. And that's just fine. VR for niche audiences until we work out better games and faster GPUs is where it should be.
 
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Morbad

Morbad
Glad I never purchased Oculus hardware.

Not that the limitations on my cheapo WMR headset are any less obscene, but they have yet to be changed after the fact, and the inevitable frustrations of a stupid platform were already priced in.

Hopefully more open initiatives like OpenHMD start to take off.

LeoBartlet85 said:
If people are that bothered just set up a dummy account and carry on Rifting.
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Putting a cinder block through the windshield of one of Carmack's Ferraris sounds considerably more cathartic.

Old Duck said:
Sure, for the guy who can buy a new car to match his new suit on a whim, all VR is "cheap", but for most average folk, having a relatively new $350 purchase become something you have to throw away because of a stupid decision by the company, that's not a trivial loss of $$$.
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I sold my last car for $350 and have never so much as tried on a suit.

777Driver said:
I work my butt off
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Sounds almost as bad as I assume putting on a suit must be.

znôrt said:
that company is facebook. you can't really say you didn't know what you were up to.
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If it doesn't include source code and/or conform to some well established open standard not controlled by the manufacturer, it should be treated as a perishable, rather than a durable, good.

Navigare Necesse Est said:
Why would I need to log into some account to use a display device in the first place is beyond me.
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So they can collect and monetize usage statistics as well as push advertisements your way. Facebook would never have acquired Oculus if they thought the bulk of revenue it would generate would come from HMD hardware.

milligna said:
I think it's just too uncomfortable for long sessions
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Same problems that limited consumer VR to a short lived fad in the mid-1990s are still present.

Honestly, I don't think it will really take off until a HMD is as light as or lighter than a pair of sun glasses and the entire experience much more seamless and straightforward.
 

WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
Maybe I'm just getting old, but sometimes I think that the World would be a better place without computers and the Internet. I had pretty high expectations back when I got my first Commodore Vic-20, and even though I was becoming slightly misantropic, I got my hopes back when the World Wide Web arrived. Both actually started out being pretty cool, but as always it all went down the drain when somebody saw a chance of making money.

Maybe it's just time to pull the plug and go offline for good.

Facebook can go flip themselves.
 

Vasious

Vasious
So I have until 2023 to save for a different HMD

But maybe I can just carry on regardless if I never buy new programs?

"If accounts are not merged, the account holder will still be able to use the device but after the start of 2023 will be limited in functionality - Social interaction and new content purchases seem to be the affected areas "
 
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