Take my advice and ignore this, they'll turn you in for trolling.
Question for Open players who don't like PVP/ganking... help me understand
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Aren't we taking this too far if you're inferring game play Jeff? Same thing some other Spear clowns can't seem to get passed. Separating role play from reality.
So wait - what he actually said was "you're making things go wrong for other people... in the way in which you do, within Elite."
He was emphasizing not only that these were part of the "traditional things" in Elite, but that these were the very kinds of things they at FDev are going to pains - 3 years' worth, apparently - to transpose into Odyssey's surface-based, FPS gameplay.
Because they are part of the richness of the game. His words.
And if there's anything I've learned from this thread, it's that you can absolutely be a massive jerk to another person - and really make things go wrong for them - in a wide variety of ways within Elite. Ganking is just but one of them. It's really opened my eyes in that regard.
Can you please tell us what you mean by "rationalisation" vis-a-vis this thread? In a game where its creator supports and in fact enables these activities - be they PVP, BGS PMFs, PowerPlay, ganking, bounty hunting and more - explain to me what you think that I, or anyone else, needs to have rationalized?
Because I'm not seeing it.
To be clear, so there is no ambiguity in my position:
None of the above means that people are wrong to be upset when someone "makes things go wrong for them" in-game.
But in a game where "making things go wrong for other people" is a stated feature, I'd suggest it's best to accept it's likely to happen again, as it's part of the game.
Sorry who is taking what too far? Are you calling me Jeff in-game, or IRL?
Do you also not grasp that actions have consequences? Or is it that you do understand, and are just bitter about the consequenses of your actions?
Literally won't. Try me and see.
You are not a moderator Phisto.
This discussion has lost any semblance of attempt at understanding, and is going nowhere.
Ok, I'll try it a bit slower Jeff. If you're equating playing a game and taking things too far and escalating (consequences to actions whatever you're inferring) then I think you have a major freakin problem. So in effect I do understand, I think it's pathetic. As to bitterness, I get you like to build huge flippin strawmen. My advice would be to leave them in the field. They have not place in discussion or debate. So I will remind you again, I am far from bitter and it will take much more than a little ankle riding to ruffle my feathers.
It's a friggen game.
Can I impose upon you to satisfy a small matter of curiosity to me ? Was my inadvertent tardiness in sending you a DM about mercenary work in any way related to the change in perception you've had towards my motives with this thread - seeing it now as some big sham "troll" effort - and then following that with the decision to label me a "tool" for actions about which, just a few pages ago, we were having what I thought was a civil discussion?
Because I was sincere in that interest, and I went and chatted it over, last night in fact, with some friends. We were keen for the idea. That keeness has, for obvious reasons, faded. I'm sure it's no loss for you, you clearly have things sorted. But it would have been a neat collaboration. Kind of a pity, in my book, as I was looking forward to the prospect. I'm sorry I didn't send the DM sooner, but I won't bother now.
I'm not equating anything, I recognise that some make a distinction (primarily those that need there to be one) and others don't.
A story I have shared on this forum before is that I used to run an online racing league. I once had a driver, unhappy with a ruling I had made over an incident, come to my house for a full & frank discussion. I am aware that this is something that can happen.
I don't care, it's not a factor at all. This is not personal, I have no problem with you acting however you like, in the game or out of it. I'll just deal with the consequenses. Others cannot be bothered & just stay out of it. An option to consider?
The premise is simple. Behave how you like, but acting on other people, or interacting with them is not consequence free. In game or out of it, whether they are considered separately or together, there are consequences. Maybe some potential employer makes the connection to your online persona, or maybe you gain a following. These are consequences. If you are not concerned about the consequences why should anyone be concerned about how you feel about their judgement of you?
no, the vast majority do
Thank you for the nice post. I appreciate that, even in a game so life-sucking as Elite, there are folks who can keep some perspective on it.
There are many more things I'd like to do in this game beyond ganking. While I don't expect my "career choice" will win me many friends outside of the ganker circles, I do sincerely enjoy the contributions received in this thread. They have in fact help me - and I believe plenty of other people, too - gain a better appreciation for the wide variety of expectations that players bring to the game.
There are some truly beautiful examples of collaboration, and even though I play as a filthy ganker, as a player and a fan of the game I do stand in awe and appreciation for them. The DSSA effort, the various exploration efforts, the work to fix all the stations damaged by Thargoids. I'm sure that there are many more I am completely unaware of.
Elite is a very big game with a lot of different ways to play it. This thread has, over its many pages, given us ample evidence of this. Even though I don't necessarily see eye to eye with every respondent, all of the voices have helped paint a vivid picture of the world that is Elite. I'm glad I found this game, and I appreciate all who have participated in this thread.
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This almost reads like some veiled threat - purely implied, of course - of doxxing being a "consequence" for naugty playstyles? I do know, anecdotally, that there are people who have gone to those lengths against those with whom they've found disagreement over this game.
I'm not seeing a citation.
It doesn't matter what the ratio is, it only takes one nutter to show up at your door to get in the news headlines. I haven't a clue what repercussions you guys have in mind btw, but by all means imagine worst case if you like. The way I play, hopefully I will be able to justify whatever action caused someone's anger with more than just 'but it's just a game, it was only a bit of fun!'.
Mostly what I have in mind is that if a player acts a bit cocky & arrogant in game, someone will probably want to 'teach them a lesson'. We've discussed this earlier in the thread, I provided examples already so maybe just go read those again.
Yes I do too. I try to bear that in mind when I interact with others. Do you?
You try to bear in mind the notion that a player will doxx you or otherwise try to harm you, as a person, in real life, for decisions you have taken in a video game?
I'm starting to really believe that the toxicity in this game is far deeper than unfortunate design choices about play modes.
Why live in fear?
Implied threats of doxxing and real life consequences to a player over a video game where PVP is a feature. This is the separation from reality that afflicts far too many in this game. News flash - It's a game. Get over yourselves and your precious feelings.
There's a thing where gamers call the cops or a swat team on other players I think. I literally provided an example of a time someone came to my house a few posts ago too. They shouldn't, but it is something that can happen.
But what can also happen is simply that someone will attack your faction in the game. And if you don't have a faction, or anything you care about, a reputation, or a ship you don't want to no longer be able to afford to rebuy, then so what? Play how you like.
Why take the risk?