General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Ephraim Stone]

im not a doctor. but I can keep linking them explaining for you

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLwLLixA4a4

Respectfully, that's not explaining. Its searching the internet for correlating terms.

The context is important. The 1997 article you sent is about aluminum buildup in premature babies who cannot feed normally and sadly had to be tube-fed. Likely due to their premature birth they had under-functoning kidneys that could not filter adequately. This led to build up of aluminum, exacerbated by other medications they required.

If you are interested the CDC have pages which summarize what is known in terms of aluminium in the kind of doses used for vaccines.

 

[Stigbob]

Here are some more Conspiracy theories.

• Lung cancer: 1.76 million deaths
• Colorectal cancer: 862,000 deaths
• Stomach cancer: 783,000 deaths
• Liver cancer: 782,000 deaths
• Breast cancer: 627,000 deaths

So we can still smoke,inhale polluted air, no issues there, we can also drink until we tilt, nooo problemo, but did you take your fly shot then all hell break loose, yeah not going to happen.

That explains why people are trying to cure cancer.

Taking those numbers and claiming it somehow makes vaccines bad is definitely a classic conspiracy theory. You take a fact out of context ignore everything else and jump to a totally unrelated illogical conclusion.

Examples :

5G towers have been built at the same time as the spread of a virus, space aliens are trying to kill us all.

The symptoms of autism are apparent around the age children get some vaccinations, vaccines cause autism.

 

[[PS4] Filthymick420]

5G towers have been built at the same time as the spread of a virus, space aliens are trying to kill us all.

Wait I thought this was a confirmed fact?!?!?!?1?

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Regarding masks, whilst I have not followed this recently so it could have changed..... Masks may even be useful for those who still believe natural herd immunity is the way to go.
Last I looked one theory for the lowered fatality percentage despite in some cases steady or even increasing new case numbers is because masks have lowered the viral load even of those who ARE infected.... That way some people who are still getting sick, because their viral load was lower they are not getting overwhelmed by it.

I am not saying this is a fact, but conceptually at least it makes sense and would also nail home why it so important health professionals in hospitals must have the correct PPE as they are inevitably exposed to far far higher levels of the virus .
IF the only people affected by not taking all available precautions and l getting infected I would be more than happy to let nature take its course .... Sadly that is not the case.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Threads too long to read it all so I'll just say this, if it comes from China or Russia there's no way in hell I'm taking it until years later (I'll conitinue to self shield, admittedly easy for me to say that as I don't have to work or socialise). If it's from the US/UK/EU/OZ (etc) I'll still wait and let the first lot be guinea pigs and assess the situation regarding side effecs, but I won't wait years.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Threads too long to read it all so I'll just say this, if it comes from China or Russia there's no way in hell I'm taking it until years later (I'll conitinue to self shield, admittedly easy for me to say that as I don't have to work or socialise). If it's from the US/UK/EU/OZ (etc) I'll still wait and let the first lot be guinea pigs and assess the situation regarding side effecs, but I won't wait years.

End of the day if you are shielding then personally I think that is fair enough.

My beef is with those who say stuff like it is their right to go where they want and " you cannot stop me from going into a shop or bank or bus without a mask or immunity."

 

[Leper Messiah]

End of the day if you are shielding then personally I think that is fair enough.

My beef is with those who say stuff like it is their right to go where they want and " you cannot stop me from going into a shop or bank or bus without a mask or immunity."

Yup, I have social anxiety and wife is autistic high functioning so we hardly went out even before covid!! If we do (emergencies, parent visits) we wear masks and gloves. Totally agree about "muh freedumb" cretins! Even if someone thinks this is all blown out of proportion (I don't!) just wear the smegging mask out of courtesy, it's just a mask fer gawds sakes!!

 

[Old Duck]

I am amazed at how many people consider mandatory mask wearing to be some conspiracy, as if masks were the Mark of the Beast or something. It's right up there with these stupid 5G conspiracies (with some dumb folk actually linking the two).

Meanwhile Elon Musk is filling the sky with 10,000 death satellites and nobody is the wiser...

 

[Stigbob]

I am amazed at how many people consider mandatory mask wearing to be some conspiracy, as if masks were the Mark of the Beast or something. It's right up there with these stupid 5G conspiracies (with some dumb folk actually linking the two).

Meanwhile Elon Musk is filling the sky with 10,000 death satellites and nobody is the wiser...

I jumped down the rabbit hole on this, but I tied a plank across my bum so I could immediately get out again and share my findings.

Alex Jones of infowars claims "they" want you frightened of the fake virus "plandemic" to control you but it definitely isn't real. Despite it not being real he sells the only known cure for this deadly infection, a type of toothpaste with snake oil in it before the American government stopped him selling it because "dangerous pseudo-science".

Once they control you through fear of the "plandemic" they'll get you to wear a mask so you'll accept a vaccine more easily. Once you've been vaccinated the new world order will immediately put a mind control microchip in your head.

The actual details of the stage between vaccine and mind control microchip and fake virus and we have the cure are glossed over with an advert for Alex Jones online store for Brain Force Plus herbal supplement and survivalist bunker supplies which you need to survive the upcoming war between Donald Trump and the satanic underground space lizards.

.........

Similar but far less convoluted Andrew Wakefield (formerly a doctor) falsified his vaccine research data to infer the triple MMR vaccine caused autism as he held patents for single jabs he wanted to market instead. He got caught was struck off and was discredited after failing to sue the people who identified the scam. He now makes anti-vaccine films for money.

..........

So having "followed the money" all this cobblers gets spread by grifters looking to fleece gullible idiots.

The grifters want their scams to be outrageous to filter out people who will not give them money and are capable of informing the authorities of the details of such obvious scams. Similar to the dreadful spelling in e-mails telling you about your lottery winnings from a country you've never been to.

 

[Sunyavadin]

The grifters want their scams to be outrageous to filter out people who will not give them money and are capable of informing the authorities of the details of such obvious scams. Similar to the dreadful spelling in e-mails telling you about your lottery winnings from a country you've never been to.

Thanks, now I have to go and rewatch this video

 

[PRORABBIT67]

My personal favorite.

 

[Stigbob]

Thanks, now I have to go and rewatch this video

God needs £25 quid eh, why doesn't he just miracle some dosh up.

I quite like the mail scams with prepaid envelopes. I bang all the gubbins back in along with any other junk-mail and litter I have handy (no personal details obviously) and once I have their prepaid envelope nice and stuffed I send it all back supporting the postal service, disappointing a grifter and saving myself putting empty crisp wrappers in the bin.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Mind you I AM scared poopooless about Covid 19!!!

It's a crap thing we are living through but it could be worse. I am not down playing it at all but I suppose in context my grandfather had WWII to live through and my great grandfather had WWI
When it comes to crap things to be afraid of COVID is not the worse thing it could be.

 

[lysan]

I'm not totally clear on the point your making, but I think it's "why worry about coronaviruses when cancer kills more people?".

Sadly once people acquire multiple mutations it is incredibly hard to cure their cancer, though we continue to strive for more advanced treatments.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent other diseases in the meantime.

True, but at what cost, those who give up a little freedom for security deserves neither, Bush 1 and 2 removed a lot of freedom in the US because “terrorism” now the new shiny is the VIRUS! (Deep voice and echo).

little by little chipping away our humanity and freedom, sorry but I ain’t buying it anymore.

 

[PRORABBIT67]

Right thats it I'm uninstalling elite.

 

[Ephraim Stone]

True, but at what cost, those who give up a little freedom for security deserves neither, Bush 1 and 2 removed a lot of freedom in the US because “terrorism” now the new shiny is the VIRUS! (Deep voice and echo).

little by little chipping away our humanity and freedom, sorry but I ain’t buying it anymore.

I'm not sure what freedom taking a vaccine means you are giving up.

For me i'll be at the head of the queue when a vaccine comes out because it represents freedom from the fear of unwittingly passing on a virus to my aging parents.

 

[Stigbob]

True, but at what cost, those who give up a little freedom for security deserves neither, Bush 1 and 2 removed a lot of freedom in the US because “terrorism” now the new shiny is the VIRUS! (Deep voice and echo).

little by little chipping away our humanity and freedom, sorry but I ain’t buying it anymore.

Naughty men flying planes into buildings and viruses are different things.

 

[shreddog]

End of the day if you are shielding then personally I think that is fair enough.

My beef is with those who say stuff like it is their right to go where they want and " you cannot stop me from going into a shop or bank or bus without a mask or immunity."

Well, I can say we've been doing perfectly fine without masks here.
I was a bit concerned first that masks were not mandatory as part of the Covid measures, but so far we still have less than 300 deaths country wide.
I did buy a pack of masks but haven't used them, as nobody else is using them what's the point.

 

[PRORABBIT67]

I think the key phrase in your comment is "so far" if you have a pack wear one whats the harm in it, stand out from the crowd it could save your or someones life.

 

[metatheurgist]

I think the key phrase in your comment is "so far" if you have a pack wear one whats the harm in it, stand out from the crowd it could save your or someones life.

I'm fortunate enough to live in a part of the world where there is no community transmission (and governments that believe in science!) so I haven't felt the need to mask. But if one of the many idiots that keep trying to bring the disease in ever succeeds the shields go up.