Defend the dream of Colonia

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2. The talking point about the alliance ships = grasping at straws. If they actually disappear, if it matters, if there no alternatives, there is always an option. It's not like Nameless will ever be totally booted from their native system.
3. "Colonia has never had any problem with gankers", lol... First of all that's not true, and second your most vocal pilot went on ganking innocents first in Deciat and then back in Colonia. Blaming others for these acts is grand. Again, that selfish definition of freedom showing up.
4. On why: plenty of reasons but more importantly why not? Just like you have your reasons to believe in what you do or simply participate in something, we have ours. It doesn't matter what they are ultimately. It's not like we are going to convince you otherwise (some of your folks have apparently even decided what my reasons are, so whatever fancy your boat).

Cmdr, I've been mostly living in Colonia for more than a year, and I didn't think of using solo mode until you started attacking The Nameless (Loren's Reapers). Also, I was invited to join by Loren's Reapers and I happily accepted when, again, you started to attack them.

That info about the ships' availability, it's not straws: They became available when The Nameless came to power in Carcosa, and, more than a year later, are still available only in Carcosa. Ergo, if you remove them from power by your sheer numbers, you remove the ships too. When, as an experiment, The Nameless came to power in EEF, the Imperial Eagle became available. And when they were removed, it was gone. So please, reconsider (I'm not begging, the "please" is for your fame's benefit), don't hurt Colonia by thinking you're helping.

That 3rd point you mention: in the few times I fought SPEAR and CIDE's ships, it was never 1:1. I had to fight 3 ships every time. They say all is fair in love and war, but come on...
And yes, that vocal pilot, he really speaks his mind. I'm also happy he does. If you happened to read about all the effort made to increase the local engineers' levels, it was actually his words that inspired me. And that was more than a year ago. He also inspired me to come and help The Nameless. We may fall under your brutal attack, but so did the Spartans in Thermopylae.

For the record, I've never ganked or attacked another commander, except in self defense. And the only times I become wanted, it's by taking scan missions. Never accepted civilian assassinations, either. And I don't plan to, either.

3 months ago I wouldn't dream of considering myself an anarchist in Elite. Now I'm a proud member of The Nameless. And it was your actions that helped make up my mind.

Thank you!
 
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Then you should know what's going on behind the scene on CEI discord if you are not part of. Or at least if don't you agree what an Anarchy by your " friends" mean. Think twice

I can also complain that there was plenty of interdictions by "anarchists" including the ones here which i won't name, and it always 3v1 all the time but no, it doesn't make sense. You made your decision based on one side and i will respect that
 
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Okay,
Let's summarise all of this.


But Colonia is free from Superpowers and powers if didn't you noticed yet. So where is the point. So simply you already answered to yourself when you mentioned "free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny. " It means to Retreat as many factions from all systems as possible and put the Anarchy ( The Nameless) in as controlling faction, well that's something all other PMF groups won't agree with and you know it i am sure.

You show your utter ignorance of the situation with that remark, let me spell it out once and for all - The Nameless has never retreated a single faction from any system, nor has it sort to control more than the two systems it held, one of which is its home system, you were either ignorant of this fact or simply regurgitating false propaganda but I'll try to be charitable and assume simple ignorance.


Well, this is lie that CD has never tried to have dialogue with your guys in good manner, look at the CEI pictures attached below. When you see this, does it require an answer?
We have got more spicy texts from you so there is one question.: You Jellicoe don't really know what your " friends" do or you're liar.

CIDE has made no attempt to explain its aggression or find a peaceful solution, all your screenshots (of what is supposed to be a confidential channel so well done for breaking that confidence but I suppose it fits with people who seem entirely incapable of sticking to their agreements) show is a heated disagreement in which your man simply accuses the others of repeating themselves, I'm not quite sure what you hope to demonstrate with this but it certainly doesn't answer the extremely simple question I asked.

Nobody is building oppressive empire, i can assure you. You only made angry enough PMFs which finally decided to bring your legs back where came to. I have heard about your " agreement" you made with EN. Good try to stabilise your lawless tyranny in certain systems, but no - this is something we won't tolerate. You know taking an advantage of EN's lower activity when they were in DW2 and overthrown them because you just wanted to..... No no here is no way.

I have no idea what this gibberish is supposed to mean, please use intelligible sentences

Ok let's discuss about Fed and Alliance ships. I was thinking why do you repeatedly mention them. In current days nobody cares, explorers won't use them, because there far better ships for exploring. Combat pilots already have them or use better ships. And in case they don't have them, you have dozens or maybe hundreds Fleet Carriers in Colonia which may take you to Bubble where you can buy as many those ships you want and bring them back - to be honest you are already one of the FC owners so.....
Anyway what did people do when those ships were not available in Colonia? Nothing, they lived/played/ enjoyed game without them too.... You can stockpile them if you don't have any yet :).

Feeble, as feeble as the rest of your self serving argument (the bits that make any sense at least)
And finally, i am suprised that someone like you Jellicoe is calling for peace, freedom and independent, but when i see this:
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We've had eight months of constant, unprovoked attacks from CIDE and others, did you really think we weren't going to shoot back?
 
To an outsider, this looks like an unhealthy clash between political tenets and functionality...
How will this ever work?
I don't know. I just presented my reasons for my actions. I only want to help Colonia. If you don't believe my words, you can believe my actions: You've already read my Frags thread (thanks for the Like, I appreciate it).

It doesn't matter who's right or wrong here, the ships must stay. For Colonia. Even if nobody likes them, uses them or there are alternatives to get them: Things shouldn't be taken away by people insisting they're the good guys.
 
Just for the super-dense who were lured out here with fairy tales of being able to be shining knights by supporting ty CEI factions:
LR <> The Nameless (!!!). 'Eradicating' the Namless does NOT hurt LR.
Anarchies are the only way to get faction ships 22k ly from the bubble.
Removing The Nameless hurts Colonia (not LR, just in case you forgot) and you are just feeding the power fantasies of some strange people who think having their name on a system is the most important thing in the universe

Carry on.
 
Just for the super-dense who were lured out here with fairy tales of being able to be shining knights by supporting poopooty CEI factions:
LR <> The Nameless (!!!). 'Eradicating' the Namless does NOT hurt LR.
Anarchies are the only way to get faction ships 22k ly from the bubble.
Removing The Nameless hurts Colonia (not LR, just in case you forgot) and you are just feeding the power fantasies of some strange people who think having their name on a system is the most important thing in the universe

Carry on.
THIS!
 
Just for the super-dense who were lured out here with fairy tales of being able to be shining knights by supporting poopooty CEI factions:
LR <> The Nameless (!!!). 'Eradicating' the Namless does NOT hurt LR.
Anarchies are the only way to get faction ships 22k ly from the bubble.
Removing The Nameless hurts Colonia (not LR, just in case you forgot) and you are just feeding the power fantasies of some strange people who think having their name on a system is the most important thing in the universe

Carry on.
Careful now. You could end on the kill-on-sight list of some lawful squadrons with those comments.
 
To show some cards which are already played anyways. Kancro and i are friends since the start of DW2 and we worked together for the whole event.
I was informed from him personally about colonia and the "truth" about the region and i will take his words. period.

our mission is to protect those who cannot defend themselves and to hunt down those who would obliterate them.
this is a small part from our official charta and exactly what we did in this campaign.
i guess its obvious now, in view of the fact that Kancro is able to show presence in this campaign, how the "who" is related here.

and we are not finished...

You never did your own research and it shows in all the wrong information you provide and believe in. It was clear since a long time that Kancro was behind it all, only he can distort the truth like that. You should know that people who fought for SEPP/EN before switched sides after finding out what Kancro is really about. We played along until we had enough intel to prove what was known to us before. The same way we waited until we had proof of CIDE attacking us before we started to fight back. EEF was observed for months before we put 1 CMDR on it to see if there is resistance. After we found no resistance we took the system to test the theory about Anarchy and superpower ships. Even you should remember the discussion here about that subject at the time. If EEF/EDF would have ask us to return the system we would have done so. Opposite to your friends we are not empire builders and try to work with the little bits and pieces the lore provides.

How can you say you protect the ones who can't protect themselves with a straight face? You know exactly how large and what type of resources SEPP/EN, CIDE, and all the other members of the Axis have. Are you telling us that a 350 strong group needs protection from 10 people? For a long time 5 of us kept CIDE in check. You actions speak the truth you try to hide in your propaganda speeches.

And btw Carcosa belongs to The Nameless, not Explorer's Nation, Civitas Dei, Loren's Reapers or any other player faction. That's what FDev intended, in the same way they were expanded into other systems by FDevs Hand of God. If you would have taken my advise and informed yourself you would have known.
Great work on crushing the small player factions in Colonia, and I'm not talking about us. Time will tell about your deeds and it will not be kind I can assure you.



Just for the super-dense who were lured out here with fairy tales of being able to be shining knights by supporting poopooty CEI factions:
LR <> The Nameless (!!!). 'Eradicating' the Namless does NOT hurt LR.
Anarchies are the only way to get faction ships 22k ly from the bubble.
Removing The Nameless hurts Colonia (not LR, just in case you forgot) and you are just feeding the power fantasies of some strange people who think having their name on a system is the most important thing in the universe

Carry on.

If I could I would click that like button the whole day.

We are not going anywhere even if The Nameless loose control of Carcosa. We will continue working on the things we wanted to bring to Colonia and help our friends or anybody who needs protection from the make-numbers-bigger spreadsheet warriors.
 
You show your utter ignorance of the situation with that remark, let me spell it out once and for all - The Nameless has never retreated a single faction from any system, nor has it sort to control more than the two systems it held, one of which is its home system, you were either ignorant of this fact or simply regurgitating false propaganda but I'll try to be charitable and assume simple ignorance.

Then explain better what do you mean by "free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny " better next time please, because Colonia was always peaceful before you came, therefore this point is absolutely pointless.

CIDE has made no attempt to explain its aggression or find a peaceful solution, all your screenshots (of what is supposed to be a confidential channel so well done for breaking that confidence but I suppose it fits with people who seem entirely incapable of sticking to their agreements) show is a heated disagreement in which your man simply accuses the others of repeating themselves, I'm not quite sure what you hope to demonstrate with this but it certainly doesn't answer the extremely simple question I asked.

CIDE has made attempt to communicate with you as screenshots showed us, but your friends would like putting blame on someone's language and spitting insults everywhere rather than finding a constructive dialogue ( try imagine that not all people on the world have English as native language :) ) . Show me a favor and look at the screenshots once again, what your "constructive" dialogue means . Also i am not officially part of the CEI so your agreements are yours and you can keep it for yourself, i am not gonna take it from you. People should also know what's behind all of this despite you don't like it. If you like, report me. I can handle it :)

I have no idea what this gibberish is supposed to mean, please use intelligible sentences

Does it matter? You'll understand what you want and what you like... But i'll try once again - simpler for you. When the first rush / CG for Colonia came in, many factions has signed territory agreement where they agreed with zero conflicts between factions except some exceptions where both sides agreed for any reason and obviously it worked. Explorers were happy because they could fly in Open without any risk, factions grown safely without almost any resistance everything worked. Then you came in and everything has changed by your "testing" your strength on explorers through violence and murders. Putting peacuful PMFs into wars with each others and bringing chaos into Colonia. But this is something that i don't have to explain to you, am i right? You TOP murderer.

Feeble, as feeble as the rest of your self serving argument (the bits that make any sense at least)

Of course, it shows your consideration. Decisions were made and so be it. I am not gonna waste more time here, i wouldn't like to be part of trashtalking too long and this is reason why i am leaving you here guys. You can like each other as always you do and we will do ours duties .).
See ya
 
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Then explain better what do you mean by "free from emperors, presidents or corporate tyranny " better next time please, because Colonia was always peaceful before you came, therefore this point is absolutely pointless.

Colonia has been at peace for the last year, it was at peace until you broke that peace. You, nobody else.


CIDE has made attempt to communicate with you as screenshots showed us, but your friends would like putting blame on someone's language and spitting insults everywhere rather than finding a constructive dialogue ( try imagine that not all people on the world have English as native language :) ) . Show me a favor and look at the screenshots once again, what your "constructive" dialogue means . Also i am not officially part of the CEI so your agreements are yours and you can keep it for yourself, i am not gonna take it from you. People should also know what's behind all of this despite you don't like it. If you like, report me. I can handle it :)

Your screenshots show nothing of the kind, but since you're here perhaps you would explain, finally, what reason CIDE had for their attack on The Nameless and what they would regard as a reasonable basis for a peaceful settlement? It's a simple enough question, please answer it.

Does it matter? You'll understand what you want and what you like... But i'll try once again - simpler for you. When the first rush / CG for Colonia came in, many factions has signed territory agreement where they agreed with zero conflicts between factions except some exceptions where both sides agreed for any reason and obviously it worked. Explorers were happy because they could fly in Open without any risk, factions grown safely without almost any resistance everything worked. Then you came in and everything has changed by your "testing" your strength on explorers through violence and murders. Putting peacuful PMFs into wars with each others and bringing chaos into Colonia. But this is something that i don't have to explain to you, am i right? You TOP murderer.

So what you're saying is that you and your mates stitched Colonia up between you at the beginning and now nobody else can join the party because you all have your little empires. We did not bring chaos to Colonia, we want to be part of Colonia and have been both a peaceful and useful part of it, please educate yourself.

Of course, it shows your consideration. Decisions were made and so be it. I am not gonna waste more time here, i wouldn't like to be part of trashtalking too long and this is reason why i am leaving you here guys. You can like each other as always you do and we will do ours duties .).
See ya

Typical of CIDE's approach I'm afraid, you don't discuss you simply trot out your party line, refuse to answer a straightforward, simple question then flounce off when nobody buys the holier than thou act.
 
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So after eight months of unprovoked hostility the best reason you can come up with is because you can?

Was I involved for 8 months? Damn, I thought it had just been a few weeks.

..., the hypocrisy is nauseating.

As anyone can see from the attached screenshots on that other post, what I find nauseating is how your folks behave.
You are taking yourselves way too seriously, and in the process you seem to have forgotten that it's a game, and that you are not dealing with NPCs.
Have at least some decency.

There are tons more examples which I will happily share to anyone interested.
 
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It didn't take long to see the other easy straw "you made me do it, I'm [now/on the verge of being] a [ganker / anarchist / onion head]".
If you think people will fall for that...

It's just your definition of "freedom" rearing its ugly head again.
 
Was I involved for 8 months? Damn, I thought it had just been a few weeks.



As anyone can see from the attached screenshots on that other post, what I find nauseating is how your folks behave.
You are taking yourselves way too seriously, and in the process you seem to have forgotten that it's a game, and that you are not dealing with NPCs.
Have at least some decency.

There are tons more examples which I will happily share to anyone interested.
The photos, which were posted without any wider context (thus rendering them all but worthless) show nothing more than an argument, you could possibly object to the language used I suppose but they seem to me to show the other participants frustration with CIDE refusing to engage in discussion which given their/your continued refusal to answer a blindingly simple question I am beginning to sympathise with.
 
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