Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12
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If that's what you see then you picked up the wrong specs, I simply enquired why many of the posters were so upset with a guy for not being as at the forefront as he has been, I don't see a lot fro his lordship either but I don't demand he present himself nor wish him ill, but it seems that was all that was needed for the wroth of a few Star Citizen haters to focus on me... sad really, as we don't really know what has happened to him, perhaps he had a breakdown bought on my constant criticism, he could have lost someone close and retreated from public, he might be trapped under a wardrobe somewhere... we just don't know!I can only see one slightly angy guy in here, the rest of us kinda discuss Star Citizen...if and when it produces anything new/laughable/relevant. The main reason for bringing CR into the discussion is his mysterious disappearance/radio silence. Considering the official forum is arbitrarily deleting discussion threads on the matter...we talk about it here
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If I though like that I'd get a refit for the tinfoil hat, your's might be a bit tight
Really? so which ships would you like that aren't available to you for ingame money?
I thought it was worth posting the original saying.
"None so deaf as those that will not hear. None so blind as those that will not see."
--Matthew Henry
CIG said it was for PR. Facts are, from their own financials, they needed that cash investment to stay afloat. So it was categorically not for "PR purposes". And no investor invests in anything, for any purpose, without strings attached, PR or no PR.
Sure, they could have got it wrong, not done enough DD. Still, the point is there are certainly enough strings attached that their initial investment can be recouped if not by a game being released, then by them taking control of company assets and selling them off.
Investment companies are in it for money, personal feelings non withstanding. Does not matter how friendly they may or may not be with anyone at CIG, they will still have provisions in the contract. Fact is, since CIG were trying to get outside investment to stay afloat, they surely approached many many investment companies before one finally agreed to take on the risk. Such desperation often comes with significant drawbacks.
Yup, exactly. Any company that investors bring cash in, they have provisions in place for what happens to it, what it goes to and what happens down the line for them to get a return on that investment, company being profitable or no.
Certainly are in line with what happens when investors gain more control of a company. How much of it is true can't say.
Nah, sales was correct the first time.
Time to buy more ships them. There's a handy ship sale end of this month, not coincidentally. Answer the call. Do you not want the project to succeed?
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What I see quite plainly...with or without specs... is someone coming in here and making a deliberate point of discussing the posters rather than the subject of the thread...which is apparently Star Citizen...good luck with that
Edit: Why do you arrogantly assume that those posting in this section of the forum are Star Citizen haters? Quite a few of us in here are long term backers of the project
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A Mole would be nice as in in game buyable...not for me, I already have one. Asking for a friend.
Where you see upsetness, it's probably only amused or concerned curiosity.
I would be quite shocked that Chris disappearance doesn't worry many of the faithful. And it would be quite hilarious if only "haters" asked the question.
Oh and let's not forget to apply Occam's razor or Hanlon's.
It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about before mounting your shouty soapbox.
All of the ships in red here have been available for purchase during sales, but do not actually exist in the game. (You'll notice the unfinished ones are primarily the larger, expensive ones with complex game-functions attached, ranging in price up to the $3000 Javelin.)
Of those ships which do exist in game (with or without their USP gameplay functionality), you can buy or rent these subsets in-game.
As noted, persistence is still incredibly shonky, and ships purchased with in-game credits have a tendency to disappear completely. (Rented ships are limited in utility by their price and inability to upgrade modules).
Well posted duder
See @Skip Rockbounder, unlike yourself some of us here do follow the project and actually know what's going on. You clearly don't understand crowdfunded-game development. Luckily for you, one of the FUDsters has collated a lot of useful information in an easily readable format for you:
Source: https://imgur.com/a/P9PZSNw
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Looks to me that there are more ships in Star Citizen than there are en eElite dangerous and you get to walk around and you don't need to spend thousands of real dollars on a jast as you don't need to spend real money on ship kits for Elite Dangerous, it would seem that you prefer the ED way over the SC way of conducting business, but $300m says they're not wrong, and if you can't get your head around it... not my fault.
You're right, I don't know a great deal about Star Citizen, but for one reason only, no solo, but my mate has it and raves over it, calls Elite 'boring' and answers questions I ask with conviction, he's enjoying it, I don't know you or any of the 'haters' here at all, so, who do I believe?...
Then you should report them to the police or take them to court youself
Boo Hoo, Chris Roberts stole my life savings fporcing me to buy a pretend ship!
I'm not one to say SC is an intentional scam, but i do strongly believe CR has knowingly lied to backers on multiple occasions, starting from the kickstarter and multiple counts since then.
I do believe he has badly misrepresented the state of the game and progress, and as such, should be held accountable. (I believe though that the project is doomed to fail, and that CRs "punishment" will be his legacy in terms of what he did. He won't be known as the guy who "saved PC gaming" like he said he would do. He will be remembered as the guy who blew hundreds of millions on a failed dream).
Does this mean he has broken the law at all? I have no idea. I'm not an expert in this area and therefore i have no idea how much you can stretch the truth or misrepresent something before it becomes a legal matter, and how much the whole kickstarter/pledge thing protects CIG/CR from making knowingly false statements.
And of course, those false statements have to be proven as well, and i guess intent to deicieve and knowledge on CR's part would also have to be shown. He could probably just claim that he thought SQ42 was close to release in 2014 but misunderstood what work required, or that it was true at the time but they decided to change things and are not beholden to backers to not do that. I guess only some sort of court backed discovery that enabled to prosecution to look at their emails could prove anything like that... assuming they had anything in writing that was damning.
However, for people like myself, there is no desire to take them to court or report them to the police because I never backed the game. I have zero money to lose. So i can sit back and laugh at this trainwrek of project mismanagement and laugh
Its up to the backers to decide if they think they should persue legal action against CIG for non-delivery or whatever laws they think CIG may have broken.
Good job money raised is equivalent to technical progress! Quick, someone tell Theranos...
Golgot's post is suitably informative, but the Banu Merchantman is a good starting point I think!
If you never invested in it, why would you persue legal action?
Many of us watched Theranos, Fyre Festival, Bitconnect, Madoff, and others exposed as scams. I doubt any of us felt compelled to report them to the authorities, even if we were sure they were scams before they became widely known as being scams.
I've done odd jobs for a number of crypto currency enterprises. I'm pretty sure most of them have been scams (its the nature of the beast), but i'll leave the due dillgence to those who think about investing, as well as any eventual legal action. My own involvement is through third parties anyway.
I didn't lose any advancement. I never gave CIG a penny.
I'm not one to say SC is an intentional scam, but i do strongly believe CR has knowingly lied to backers on multiple occasions, starting from the kickstarter and multiple counts since then.
I do believe he has badly misrepresented the state of the game and progress, and as such, should be held accountable. (I believe though that the project is doomed to fail, and that CRs "punishment" will be his legacy in terms of what he did. He won't be known as the guy who "saved PC gaming" like he said he would do. He will be remembered as the guy who blew hundreds of millions on a failed dream).
Does this mean he has broken the law at all? I have no idea. I'm not an expert in this area and therefore i have no idea how much you can stretch the truth or misrepresent something before it becomes a legal matter, and how much the whole kickstarter/pledge thing protects CIG/CR from making knowingly false statements.
And of course, those false statements have to be proven as well, and i guess intent to deicieve and knowledge on CR's part would also have to be shown. He could probably just claim that he thought SQ42 was close to release in 2014 but misunderstood what work required, or that it was true at the time but they decided to change things and are not beholden to backers to not do that. I guess only some sort of court backed discovery that enabled to prosecution to look at their emails could prove anything like that... assuming they had anything in writing that was damning.
However, for people like myself, there is no desire to take them to court or report them to the police because I never backed the game. I have zero money to lose. So i can sit back and laugh at this trainwrek of project mismanagement and laugh
Its up to the backers to decide if they think they should persue legal action against CIG for non-delivery or whatever laws they think CIG may have broken.
What you believe and what the laws are are different things. if you see himl led awy in irons then he may have been guilty... innocent until proved
Imagine feeling this defensive over a game you admit don't follow and have poor knowledge about other than unsourced "friend" (we know it's you really) anecdotes
