Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Erm... ok, so the lore reason is... erm... after the outbreak of covid in the 21st century humanity operated a strict law regarding the number of people who were allowed to congregate in a certain region of space or on stations. Covid kept evolving until it achieved sentience and basically agreed not to infect humans again as long as they didn't turn up in groups greater than 50!
Ok but what if 2 ships with full crew in the cockpit face each others?
 
The thing is, if I understand this correctly, that those ED instance handshakes are actually de facto “server meshing”. The instances are hosted at the player PCs but the actual decision to place and move players and content from one to another is already “server meshing”.

Instances will always have a player cap. In the case of a twitch sim game those caps are rather low. Even games such as War Thunder or DCS that use dedicated private servers to host instances cough their lungs out when you get above 30 players. First person shooter games which in theory may be less demanding such as BF or CoD are limited to around 60. Squad is limited to 100.

SC will need to limit actual player count in the same manner. The “thousands” of players often referred to by CIG hyperbolically is probably rather related to a central server view about who is where similarly to the ED galaxy server. In all cases players will need to be partitioned to smaller groups and instances if they concentrate in the same locations. And moving from one instance to another will always require some kind of instance hand shake like EDs.
Has this ever been achieved in cryengine before? Seems like the sort of thing you want to get done at the beginning!
 
I've noticed in the past you guy bring up Lethality as an ardent SC defender and I've never ran into this person/heard of him other than here.
I won't link due to language but at about 2:21:55 into SaltEMike's stream yesterday:
"Lethality, you're the most cringe ^%#@$%# person on the internet so shut the ^%#@ up, come on dude, please. I always downvote everything you say on Reddit and I never post anything on Reddit."
 
Surely it's time for a dream jpeg ship sale?

Buy early, the iCrash is only available in limited numbers:

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And moving from one instance to another will always require some kind of instance hand shake like EDs.
There is no gameplay benefit to be gained from this, only technical headache. Womhole jumps should be a mini-game loading screen, not actual traversal between two joined maps.

But what if it wasnt? Thats the dream. Have you seen Spielberg's 'Ready Player One'? Its what most people think they are getting, a universe of possibility, not a space sim game.

So if there are 100 systems, with 2 planets & a Space Station in each, and 10,000 players actively playing spread across those 200 planets and 100 stations.....and no loading screens or instances......how much data would need to be transferred back and forth to players PCs and Servers to make it work?

Is this where the magic word Quanta comes in? Even to a layman like me Quantum means infinite or some really complicated physics that may change our understanding of the Universe...so Quanta sounds a bit like that so must mean the same yes? Simples, I am placated.

Soon....Middle of Next Year....Late Next Year...End of Next Year.....but no promises, just thats someone target to 'introduce' something 'that will then change what we can do with...'....but no promises. I like mid to late next year, sounds like an actual well-thought out target, not too long to wait, not 2 years, not soon enough to check against and hold accountable, nice and vague.

'It will be done when its done' - Ill buy a ship when its done then and save my money until then, thanks for the info. No point buying JPEGS and upgrading PCs all the time just in case it releases tomorrow, it obviously isn't so Ill give you my money when its ready.
 

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'It will be done when its done' - Ill buy a ship when its done then and save my money until then, thanks for the info.
Ah, but you see, after release there will be no more ship sales because SC is defo not Pay2Win. Ship sales are just a way for you to support the project before release. So buy now now now or you will be missing out big time! An Idris would be very nice, thank you very much.
 
There actually exists a technology for realtime battles involving thousands of players. Has nothing to do with Christopher and Ci-G though.

Planetside 2 has entered the call

Yeah, I know that it breaks with that sort of user count but it feels like CIG are wanting to do similar epic battles but are failing hard.

And because I don't log on here over the weekend:

More from the agent.

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investors were surprised that Star Citizen already had a "Star Wars: Squadrons" mode and that it wasn't marketed more and more heavily monetized

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I have no words.
 
Ah, but iCache can be improved upon by adding an upper case "X" at the end.

iCacheX. See?

Don't you know anything about whatever all this is about? o_O
Don't get ahead of yourself, Christopher isn't done milking iCache as an excuse yet.
iCacheX will be next tier, it's reserved for future years.

Yeah, I know that it breaks with that sort of user count but it feels like CIG are wanting to do similar epic battles but are failing hard.
Yep, that's because dynamic horizontal scaling is difficult and can't be done with just handwavium and codewhisperum.
 
All those uniquely patronising PR/damage control videos and a veritable written wall of deranged hubris from Chris Roberts just signal what is simply another Q4 marketing and funding campaign. This time of year is traditionally the post Citizencon induced whale spending spree...with none of that live staged nonsense, we get teaser videos instead featuring talking heads and wavy hands with exactly the same goal...telling the long suffering backers they are absolutely wonderful people and loudly heralding in this current years 'Gib Cash' incentive to keep the lights on at Ci¬G for another year ...the faithful will bite like dutiful fish, the detractors will call "foul!" to the referee...

Star Citizen never changes :)

Well the more this circus continues the clearer it really becomes. When 3 years prior Roberts being completely clueless and running a scam was more like a suspicion or probability today we can be pretty sure Roberts knows exactly what hes doing. Nothing about this is accidental. When you go out and claim achievements that simply are not there and keep promising that everything will come together eventually, betting on the misguided and deceived trust and hope of the remaining people willing to open their wallets, all simply to up your last quarter sales....year after year mind you...theres really no question anymore whats happening. The addicted will admit it last of course but everybody knows by now :)

Cant wait for the time when various articles drop the pretense of giving CIG the benefit of the doubt and calling it what it is.

At least with other similar hilarities I m observing right now most of the others have a fixed timeline which means I just have to wait a few short months or maybe a year before I have a clear answer. Star Citizen will probably go strong in 5 years from now and not because it progresses so much but only because CR has to play his angle more and more agressively to make it through the year. I m guessing we ll come to the point where the abuse of trust of goodwilled people will become so extreme that even the "well, I only backed with the min package and had a lot of fun" justification will fill you with shame because you realize you enabled this thing.

CIG knows this probably better then we do. All we have are the public forums and articles which paint a pretty shady picture and unrest is widespread wherever you look but obviously there is a core of hard-core fanatics who cannot be swayed by anything CIG does and CIG KNOWS THIS banking on these people to keep em afloat. CIG doesnt even need to produce videos or presentations anymore in order to whip its zealots into a spending frenzy (according to the funding meter). Look at the AMAs and similar anouncments recently. Do they really sound calming and inspiring confidence or do you feel your blood boil because nothing is cleared and you are sedated by a fluff of nothing and empty promises. Meanwhile another year (2020 was supposed to "show us haters") comes to an end and the funding meter keeps ticking. Maybe the "same old same old" works on the deluded and the newcomers but you cant simply repeat what you did the years before and expect the same results. People who have a functioning memory will eventually figure out they ve been had. Star Citizen isnt about making a video game....its all about keeping the money coming in. Lies, pretense, abuse and criminal strategies? Doesnt matter as long as the green continues to come in.

Star Citizen seems to be the scientology of video games. Equally a scam but going strong and ongoing despite all the books, the warnings, the investigations. They have money, they have followers and they can show the middle finger to the rest of the world because they have carved out their kingdom and being celebrated for it.


Most of us have known this for some considerable time...others will still continually open up their wallets and feed the dumpster fire... Star Citizen has long since become the internet version of TV evangelism. There's no accounting for blind faith...or to whatever particular faith that blindness might be wilfully pointed toward ;)

Who is this "us" my dear Mole? The way you talk openly these days you are nothing else then a "hater" and jelly of Roberts success, a "smartie" at best but probably blue in the face with envy of SCs continous success. You might think you speak for the group of backers who think of themselves as fair, clear-minded, patient and good-willed but there is no such thing in this discussion as you have noticed yourself. Share your opinion and the moment you refuse to overlook glaring problems or ask hard questions you are being attacked, critizised and eventually pushed to the hater camp. I ve never seen myself as a hater myself. I just thought I had my eyes open and trying to apply common sense but that never made a difference to the people on "the other side of the fence". You are on my side now and you might not see it yourself or think otherwise but the others dont so your input really is of no importance and in the end, even tho you might see yourself distanced from the likes of me...you and me are pretty much the same. You simply opted to go deeper into the pool then I did.


Oh definitely. And as much as some people think that said wallets will close up enough that it forces CIG's hand, I don't think that'll happen - Development As A Service will continue for many years.

Maybe I m impatient but I ve been waiting for this to happen for a long time already. And the thing is that CIG supports this thesis by producing less and less stuff to keep the fire going but it doesnt seem to make a difference. The few remaining people who really seem to be on CIGs side are forced to become more and more extreme in their clinging to hope and interpreting things as optimistically as possible and they pay the price for it on the streets (aka the internet) where the broader public gives them drastic but honest words. Do you think the "elders of the various cults" in the world care when they send out their faithful to "share gods work" and recruit more sheep to enable their pompous lifestyle? These misguided, gullible but ultimately good-natured people go out and endure abuse, ridicule and shame...all of it deserved but it doesnt matter...it ll simply enforce the gospel of their elders. Remember the "and remember the broader population hates Star Citizen" statement. Thats where we are.

I ve been on some kind of crusade the last couple of years, pouring effort into my posts often saying the same thing with different words because I tried to show or maybe "safe" some misguided people from the trap that is CIG but its been years and nothing changes. Star Citizen doesnt get better, I dont see anything that would prove me wrong but a whole lot that continues to back up what I ve seen and said and it doesnt matter. The project continues, when after months or even years some of the projects followers "wake up" and begin to ask the same questions as I do new plebs rise up to the defense, yet untainted and reset the whole cycle anew. When I was playing the "long game" before waiting for the inevitable to happen and proving me right I recognize by now that there are some factions within this debacle that are not honest, that seem to prey on the misguided and knowing full well what they do. They intentionally abuse trust, hope and even tho I have no idea what their payment is in all this I start to lose interest as well. The repetitions wear me down. Repeating year after year after year where nothing really changes.

I watch some of you finding better words then I do, posts with an impact that are so clear and telling that I m thinking "NOW, everybody is going to sit back and think about it...." (especially when CIG does something stupid again that only backs up dissenters) but it never happens. The more the "haters" push the more SC zealots rush to its defense and the exchange often turns comical in its extremes. Both sides see themselves as winners and clash again on another day. But every day rolls in money into the coffers of its leaders and they really dont care.


Oh definitely. And as much as some people think that said wallets will close up enough that it forces CIG's hand, I don't think that'll happen - Development As A Service will continue for many years.

I share your view on this. And it shouldnt be of any concern to me same as all the other scams I observe I the world. There are a few topics where my own view differs so drastically that speaking openly about it only leads to dispute, even among friends and family so I simply dont or try to avoid the topics as much as possible but same as religious fanatics simply ignoring them doesnt help. If you avoid them they will make an effort to come to you. And I dont even have to look for Star Citizen related news anymore. You can go anywhere and see comments like "yeah, this is nice but did you see Star Citizen? They have all this and more and they are the BDSSE and stuff blahblahblah". They are universally met with ridicule these days and I dont really have to get involved but it makes me want to grab that person and shake some sense into them. And it drives the point home that common sense is dead and without a critical event this will go on and on like other scams did who go strong after more then 2000 years now. We can understand the reasons for this but we dont change it and the affected people will rather kill you then accept your truth.

I ve never been in a cult before. Even tho I was raised a christian I pride myself in the fact that I got out the moment I started to think for myself and make my own decisions like my parents got me a "test trial" by signing me up or something and despite the churches best attempts to brainwash and condition me, it didnt hold. But looking in from the outside makes me think that I am one of the lucky ones. And not because I m out but because I seem to be able to recognize whats happening. Nobody I know really is "faithful" in the religion they follow. They say the words and they occasionally go to the church (on holidays) and they keep carrying the tag but they certainly dont live like the holy book tells them. Its hollow phrases are summoned at convenient times and forgotten whenever it suits you but dare to tell it how it is and they feel personally offended, attacking you for questioning their faith and calling you all kind of names. Live and let live is a nice saying and it works whenever everybody plays by that rule but thats not the case. Cults bank on your tolerance to slip by and if you think they are harmless or its a matter of free will then you already support them. People with a different upbringing might never get into it and they might think "oh well, they are wrong but its their choice" but thats really not the case when one side continues to infect and attack you while you chose to look the other way.

The sheep continue to go on, they pay their fees every month and they provide power and strength to something that takes their presents without giving anything back. Nothing tangible at least. And even tho the majority of its followers doesnt live like they should they all will rise to its defense when its under attack. The leadership doesnt care....as long as you keep paying and enabling them to play gods among men.

The similarities are striking and living through Star Citizen from day 1 to its current form makes me think "so THIS is what living in a cult is" when all of it is simply ruthless abuse and extortion started by an individual who doesnt care as long as you do as he wants

"So you want to tell others what to do with their money?" is a fitting example for somebody defending the core just because he doesnt like your questions. If they cant convert you the second best thing is to make you leave so you dont spread your FUD and wake people up. This is also happening in the Star Citizen argument. "Take a break" or "just leave if you dont like it"....all of this is better then sticking around and telling facts. Facts are not good for the dream. Facts are the enemy of what SC is.



I m sitting on page 488 as I write this and even tho I have 5 more pages to read before I catch up I lack the interest. Maybe I should have a drink? I know that "if I take a break" and come back tommorrow the 5 pages will be 15 and I really dont like that thought. And "skipping" isnt my thing. Who knows? Maybe the lot of you will see a lot less of me then you used to see? :D
 
Who is this "us" my dear Mole? The way you talk openly these days you are nothing else then a "hater" and jelly of Roberts success, a "smartie" at best but probably blue in the face with envy of SCs continous success.

Fritz's paragraph here goes a good way to show how its hard to be considered a fair skeptic or a fair backer with how the lines have been drawn by some.

However, everyone knows there are no blue smarties!
 
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