Double engineered CG rewards have the potential to ruin the game

With the release of the latest CG, Frontier is providing the second limited edition "double engineered" module, this time a FSD.

This is extremely alarming. The cornerstone of a game's longevity is accessibility. That's why tutorials and starting areas are so important, why the Cobra 4 is a bad ship (and that's a good thing), and why games make it easier and easier to progress through old content. If a new player is unable to eventually compete with longtime players, they will quit.

If, for example, in World of Warcraft they released an item that permanently powered up your character, it would be required by all hardcore players. If that item became unavailable to new players, bad things would happen. First, you'd see a mass exodus of players who did not get the item. You'd see players selling entire accounts behind the developer's back to get this item. And, of course, new players would start ignoring the activities that are made easier by this item, or quitting outright because there's no reason to bother.

It doesn't even have to be particularly powerful. It's a player psychology thing. Look at the incredible lengths players are willing to go in order to get an extra 0.1 LY jump distance! The amount of materials people will spend to get an extra 2% shielding! It's the nature of these games. If something like that is locked so that players who don't already have it cannot access it, it's about the most disastrous thing you can do for a video game.

Frontier is stepping very close to this line right now. I am frightened that they will cross it, because I have sunk considerable amounts of time and money into this game. I want it to succeed.

This FSD, by itself, isn't enough to cross this line. But it's closer than the missile rack was. The trajectory is frightening to me. If this get worse, I could end up quitting the game over it - I don't mean that as a threat, just as an observation. I don't want to. But a resistance augment / heavy duty shield booster, or an efficient/long range beam laser, or a lightweight/heavy duty HRP for example would all break the game overnight unless everyone could access them. Entire communities would leave.

I just want Frontier to be aware of the incredible amount of danger that this seemingly innocuous thing poses to their game. Please.
 
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Well sure, if they don't think about what they're doing. The current offerings suggest they are though.

The game is 6 years old and is making Frontier a bunch of money by the way. It has already succeeded and I'm pretty sure they're not about to do something that will suddenly break it- unless of course they do want to get rid of us. I'm sure we're much noisier, demanding and argumentative than the Planet Zoo crowd.
 
I mean sure if it were a competition breaking thing but shoot... all this FSD really does is give a slight bump in jump range and give explorers that play in open a better chance of dodging a ganker with FSD reset munitions (if I'm remembering correctly what faster boot sequence does), and it doesn't give an edge over the highest jump range Anaconda that you can build. This and the last one seem more like curiosities rather than anything that really gives you an edge. And you get more names on planets/data if you make shorter jumps anyway.
 
Frontier is stepping very close to this line right now. I am frightened that they will cross it, because I have sunk considerable amounts of time and money into this game. I want it to succeed.

They've already crossed it. My CMDR still has a couple dozen legacy modules that should have been removed or forcibly converted two years ago.

It's not going to hurt the success of the game though.

Well sure, if they don't think about what they're doing. The current offerings suggest they are though.

The game is 6 years old and is making Frontier a bunch of money by the way. It has already succeeded and I'm pretty sure they're not about to do something that will suddenly break it- unless of course they do want to get rid of us. I'm sure we're much noisier, demanding and argumentative than the Planet Zoo crowd.

The breaking of Elite: Dangerous has been a long and drawn out process, so there is no suddenly about it.

They know exactly what they are doing, but that doesn't imply that what they are doing is good for the experience. It only needs to be good for their revenue stream.
 
Eesh. A lot of replies here from people who didn't actually read my post. I even specifically called out the Cobra 4 as being fine. Do you guys just troll anyone who has something resembling negative feedback?

There are a lot of ways that the current CG reward could be fine. This is an expression of concern and alarm, not disapproval.
 
With the release of the latest CG, Frontier is providing the second limited edition "double engineered" module, this time a FSD.

This is extremely alarming. The cornerstone of a game's longevity is accessibility. That's why tutorials and starting areas are so important, why the Cobra 4 is a bad ship (and that's a good thing), and why games make it easier and easier to progress through old content. If a new player is unable to eventually compete with longtime players, they will quit.

If, for example, in World of Warcraft they released an item that permanently powered up your character, it would be required by all hardcore players. If that item became unavailable to new players, bad things would happen. First, you'd see a mass exodus of players who did not get the item. You'd see players selling entire accounts behind the developer's back to get this item. And, of course, new players would start ignoring the activities that are made easier by this item, or quitting outright because there's no reason to bother.

It doesn't even have to be particularly powerful. It's a player psychology thing. Look at the incredible lengths players are willing to go in order to get an extra 0.1 LY jump distance! The amount of materials people will spend to get an extra 2% shielding! It's the nature of these games. If something like that is locked so that players who don't already have it cannot access it, it's about the most disastrous thing you can do for a video game.

Frontier is stepping very close to this line right now. I am frightened that they will cross it, because I have sunk considerable amounts of time and money into this game. I want it to succeed.

This FSD, by itself, isn't enough to cross this line. But it's closer than the missile rack was. The trajectory is frightening to me. If this get worse, I could end up quitting the game over it - I don't mean that as a threat, just as an observation. I don't want to. But a resistance augment / heavy duty shield booster, or an efficient/long range beam laser, or a lightweight/heavy duty HRP for example would all break the game overnight unless everyone could access them. Entire communities would leave.

I just want Frontier to be aware of the incredible amount of danger that this seemingly innocuous thing poses to their game. Please.
Do in-game stuff and get an in-game reward; I can't see a problem.

Not all past rewards are available because CGs don't last forever.
 
FOMO hey?

Personally I think they're great... would be cool if they also started releasing engineered AX weapons as part of the rewards for AX CGs.

Oh, and:
Look at the incredible lengths players are willing to go in order to get an extra 0.1 LY jump distance!
I guess those players can add "Do CGs" to their repetoir of things they'll do for extra LY.
 
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I understand the issues if the exclusive rewards were being tied to ARX or if you could spend real money to somehow gain an advantage.

However, this is not the case here. An in-game event is giving an in-game reward through a competition to get one of two objectives done. Yes, it is unique, and yes, not everyone will get it.
 
It's a lure to make people play the game. Unique item as a time limited reward is not new idea.

The most frightening thing about this top 25% threshold in this case is the fact that if you want to win special reward, player competition will most likely turn it into a hellish grind.

Damn, I almost talked myself out of it already.
 
I'm a fan of these new CG rewards; makes participating in them a lot more compelling. I do, however, hope that they offer these rewards periodically so that new players aren't permanently missing out. I know that's something that would personally sway me away from buying/playing a game: feeling like I was missing out on a bunch of top-tier items with no possibility of ever obtaining them for myself. The Cobra Mk 4 being permanently out of reach is bad enough, but at least it's apparently trash.
 
Hm...

I’m perhaps leaning on OP’s side with this one.

These unique modules are going to disappear if I reset my cmdr right? They aren’t bound to my profile...

This is a problem for me because I happen to restart my cmdr frequently and ED doesn’t have a ‘save slot’ feature.

So if I ever hope to retain this module i’ll basically have to sacrifice my re-playability of the game? I get totally bored of ED once I’m rich which is why I always chime in on the broken economy threads pointlessly hoping FD will rebalance things...

Odyssey is coming and I was looking forward to enjoying it with a brand new cmdr...

But damn. The 5A FSD is perhaps the most useful and compatible module in the whole game, it’s the first module I go out of my way to engineer on a new cmdr because I know how widely useful it’ll be...

This sucks.
 
I see on INARA that the reward is listed as "...fully engineered long range fast boost..." .. is that an INARA typo or a FD typo?

Just checked in-game and sure enough F D don't know their boost from their boot. :rolleyes:
 
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I see on INARA that the reward is listed as "...fully engineered long range fast boost..." .. is that an INARA typo or a FD typo?
Yeah I saw that. It’s a typo...meant to be fast boot...

Combining ‘fast boot’ with ‘increased range’ should provide a 70% increase in optimised mass. Given that it’s on a highly useful class 5 FSD it’s a pretty sweet module...

I’m just going to have to pretend this thing doesn’t exist. I’m not going to completely remove the option of re-setting my cmdr just to keep a once in a lifetime module, I’d end up not playing anymore...

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Tricky business you’re up to here Frontier. Not sure I like it much...
 
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