what is wrong with my progress and particularly mining

OP I mean this as kindly as possible but YT tutorial vids might be your best reference point.

Everyone learns differently, and I'm not a video learner. Last time I followed a mining video, I got shot down and it was a horrible and expensive experience.

I'm simply verifying that mining is broken in that so-called hotspots aren't hotspots with a few random exceptions and that it pays lousy. Watching mining videos isn't gone change that.
 
fyi there are substantial yield boosts in res sites (higher the difficulty bigger the boost).

Well, I was told not to go mining in RES because it's dangerous and much better in rings outside of RES. So I didn't try it ever since, and when I tried it, it was miserable so I had no reason to try it again.
 
They are.

Pick a number of arbitrary systems having rings, go to a random so-called hotspot there and fly 100km through the hotspot in a loosly straight line and keep track of how many of the asteroids you find are having mineral contents of at least 25% and how many of those have the mineral indicated by the hotspot. You'll probably find that most have less then 15% and are probably below 10%.
You've done this?

From what you say in subsequent replies, you don't have much idea about mining and are inclined to ignore what we tell you to improve your technique. That you say you were shot down is very telling.
 
You've done this?

From what you say in subsequent replies, you don't have much idea about mining and are inclined to ignore what we tell you to improve your technique. That you say you were shot down is very telling.
According to his third post on this thread he has made 15 billion credits mining, unless he got the figure wrong! I think he needs to teach me how to do it, I made about a billion core mining!
 
The statistic says I have made 15559832765 credits from mining and have mined 2043 minerals. Except for a few credits, all that money is from the one exceptional place. The statistic says I made 1.8 billion from trading
According to his third post on this thread he has made 15 billion credits mining, unless he got the figure wrong! I think he needs to teach me how to do it, I made about a billion core mining!

The numbers do not add up
Take a look at my numbers from my PC account. He could not get 15bn with only 2000 mined materials.

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Ok how do you know which asteroids you need to mine when don't know anything about them, even not if they do contain any minerals at all?
You either shoot a Prospector at them based on experience, instinct or the rock looks like one that ought to work, or you laser some chunks off see what you get and if it looks promising then fire a Prospector at it.
A rated prospectors increase the yield from a rock, all prospectors do in fact but A rated increase it the most.
 
That also confirms the bug.

Why did they even put mining into the game when it's so bad? Obviously they don't want us to make money with it, it's very buggy, laser mining is painfully boring, we still don't have mining machines to deploy on planets and no automated mining. Is it supposed to be a joke?
It is not likely to be a joke, it is more an indication that even with starships collector limpets and laser mining beams the immense size of a ring around a planet means that most of the time you are going to be in the wrong place.

The rings of Saturn are approximately half the mass of Earth's moon for example.
 
But then what do you learn from? You prove every day that it certainly can't be the advice you get in the forum, because you ignore pretty much everything that more experienced players tell you.

I'm mostly learning from written documentation and from doing things myself.

I'm not ignoring what other players are telling me. If I had done that, I'd still be sitting in an ASP doing passenger missions and wouldn't be around.

Some people have given advise about how to do mining in this thread. That's nice and I appreciate that. It may seem that I'm ignoring it because I was trying to confirm whether mining is broken or if it seems broken because I made the mistake of not checking the quality of the resources of the planet having the rings I was going into while I thought the quality was for the whole system.

Now what people are saying here and in the thread I forked this one off of, my own experience and this verification all show that mining is broken. I'd make a bug report if I could log in to the bug tracker but I already tried that and it wasn't possible because the site is broken. I even sent an email to the only address I could find and never got an answer.

That mining is broken also explains, together with some other reasons, what is wrong with my progress. Making suggestions according to that about how the game might be improved has only lead to some people saying I shouldn't play it. I've made the suggestions I wanted to make, and trying to come up with more suggestions is pointless. The more you think about it, the more it becomes obvious how bad this game actually is. Maybe it will be improved, maybe not. Meanwhile, I'm playing other games instead.
 
You've done this?

From what you say in subsequent replies, you don't have much idea about mining and are inclined to ignore what we tell you to improve your technique. That you say you were shot down is very telling.

Yes, I have basically done it. Every hotspot I found showed only trace amounts or none of the mineral indicted by the hotspot. "Bascially done" means first I wanted to go mining, then later on went to check hotspots, and I didn't write everything I found down --- I even tried that, and it turned out it's just too much to write down all the minerals and their concentrations for every asteroid. Just none of the asteroids had any of the mineral indicated by the hotspot and there was no point in keeping track of them in such detail anyway.

I suppose you can always say that I don't have much idea about mining. How would I when there is nothing worthwhile to mine? And some of it, I already forgot about, like I didn't remember that the PWS is useless for laser mining. It was possible to do for only a couple days, a while ago.
 
Yeah I wondered if he made an error. I am guessing it was 1.5 billion from mining. Still more than I made!

Huh? That's what I thought. Here's a screenshot:

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I read that as 1.5 billion; maybe I mistyped in the earlier post. I think that the number of 'minerals refined' can't be true. I know I got like 300t or so, but nowhere near 2000t.
 
Yes, I have basically done it. Every hotspot I found showed only trace amounts or none of the mineral indicted by the hotspot. "Bascially done" means first I wanted to go mining, then later on went to check hotspots, and I didn't write everything I found down --- I even tried that, and it turned out it's just too much to write down all the minerals and their concentrations for every asteroid. Just none of the asteroids had any of the mineral indicated by the hotspot and there was no point in keeping track of them in such detail anyway.

I suppose you can always say that I don't have much idea about mining. How would I when there is nothing worthwhile to mine? And some of it, I already forgot about, like I didn't remember that the PWS is useless for laser mining. It was possible to do for only a couple days, a while ago.

idk man im stably pulling 250t of platinum from a haz res plat hotspot every 30 minutes on average.

I never had issues finding hotspot stuff, as long as im in correct ring (you dont laser mine painite in metal rich painite hotspots for example)
 
It is not likely to be a joke, it is more an indication that even with starships collector limpets and laser mining beams the immense size of a ring around a planet means that most of the time you are going to be in the wrong place.

The rings of Saturn are approximately half the mass of Earth's moon for example.

That's why hotspots are indicated. Unfortunately, the indication is buggy at least for core mining.
 
idk man im stably pulling 250t of platinum from a haz res plat hotspot every 30 minutes on average.

I never had issues finding hotspot stuff, as long as im in correct ring (you dont laser mine painite in metal rich painite hotspots for example)

Like I said, I avoided mining in RES after I was told they are a bad place to mine at. And how come that the NPC pirates leave you alone there?

Can any mineral be mined in any type of ring?
 
Like I said, I avoided mining in RES after I was told they are a bad place to mine at. And how come that the NPC pirates leave you alone there?

Can any mineral be mined in any type of ring?

OK there are couple levels to this whole thing to unpack

a] the type of stuff you can mine and also the way you can mine it depends on the material type. For example mentioned painite can be found either as lase mineable in metallic rings, or as deep cores in metal rich ring. Surface and SubSurface deposits appear in both I think - just google whatever you are interested in.

b] there are reservers going from delpeted to prisitne. For core mining it shouldnt matter but I always go for pristine regardless - just to mention in case you dont know about this.

c] hotspots influences the type of rocks that spawn. Overlaps do boost this, but not as much as they used to. From my experience single hotspots are perfectly fine. Now its important to remember it doesn boost number of roids of certain type, only whats in those. For example - a vopal hotspots doesn spawn more deep core rocks. It just makes the ones that are there more likely to be of that type. From my testingin a single hotspot about 60% of core roids will have the hot spot type in overlaps it should be more. As far as laser mining goes hotspot will make roids more likely to have deposits of sais type and since you can laser mine every roid hotspot efectively spawns "more" hotspot type roids.

d] prospecting - yield vs composition - theres a typical misconception about prospecting roids and that is that people think % is everything. It isnt. % doesnt show the yield, only what the yield will be procentually composed of. In other words 20% of 40 tons is more than 50% of 10 tons. The yield is a rng that can be observed when you mine an asteorid - just check the % drop in content when you mine, its a fixed number per tick. Lower the number, higher the yield the rock has.

Soif you apply % you see in prospector on yield that youre actually pulling from a rock youll get the final number of how much you mine.

e] res sites
Res sites offer boost to yield, however they do nothing for the infulence itself. You will see same stuff in RES as anywhere else on the ring, however there is a multiplier on fragments you mine. That multiplier depends on res type (low res having lowest bonus and haz res having the highest bonus) and on distance from the rescenter (the bonuses usually start at 30km and get best at 20-15km mark). Again you can observe the bonus by checking the % drop of roid content when you mine it.

If i remember correctly, outside RES the % drop is anwhere between 2.4% and 3.7% per mining tick. In haz res you can get as low as 1.69% contet drop per tick, which means up to 2x bigger yield than outside res. For reference I mine anything above 30% content of what I want and see roids going as high ass 60%.That translates into 20-40ish tons of said material from single rock. As far as I remember you top out at around 17ish outside res site. For me that translates to mentioned 250t of mined stuff in avg 30 minutes.

As far as tactics to deal with pirates in res sites goes thats whole another topic, but it incorporates heavily engineered combat-miner ship build, A rated sensors and a lot of surrounding awareness (both sensor and visual).

Note - there are also completely other ways of mining. Not many ppl know this - roids are persistent with respawn timer. Deep cores respawn after about 6 days (so thats not too interesting) BUT laser and ssd deposits have 2-3 hours respawn rate. Now since these are persitent, it means you can mine same roids every 2-3 hours. This is especially interesting for LTD SSD mining (as it has yields significantly larger amounts when SSD mined compared to any other sub surface deposit types). I have a mapped hotspot area in one of my fav mining spots (cca 60km radius from hotspot center) so I know where all the LTD SSD rocks are. I have devised a route that enables me to mine 400t of LTDs an hour steadily - it requires you to know the route very well but if you make your own (I made the map using slf and triangulation) its not a problem. LTDs have gone low in price since I made this route but its still pretty profitable technique even with lower prices.
 
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Another thing that may not be known to a lot of miners, once you get out into the black (4-500Ly) there is no NPC's and the rings are all pristine.
 
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