High Grade Emissions spawn rate?

Ydiss

Ydiss
Northpin said:
sitting is where you got it wrong.

Check inara, look how many systems nearby have factions in Outbreak
You can pick them at random and do a loop between 10-15 systems.
Or you can review some of those systems and pick high pop, single star (so you dont get hge at 400000 ls), eventually Imperial - at least you can top up on imperial shielding and you can trade them for PI if you really dont find any.

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It's still way lower chance of seeing HGE compared to other states. I say "lower" because players do report seeing them (though no screen shots of it, just anecdotal). Or the commonly stated "they drop off anaconda pirate Lords", which isn't the same thing.

I've still never seen one since I came back to the game. Finding HGEs anywhere else is easy. I'd be interested to see someone visit all those systems and report back how many HGEs they saw. I'm convinced something isn't working properly. It used to be simple to find HGEs in outbreak systems.

The frequency of this topic cropping up is high enough to strongly suggest it's not just me. The op didn't even say what they were looking for and I called it.
 
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Franc Kaos

Franc Kaos
I just spent two hours in Dav's Hope and filled my mats (except for Heat Vanes - really really rare for some reason but got 50 of them), jumped back to Sirius (5 jumps each way) and traded for what I needed (see below for my new Anaconda Wild is the Wind - she's a sweety, and engineer armed to the teeth).
Fdev really need to sort out their horrendous mat collecting gameplay loop - feels more like torture than game playing.

Fake Edit: And let me buy some gorram AX weapons, the tech's been out there for a while so we shouldn't need to mat gather for them at Guardian sites* - not that I would shoot at a Thargoid but it'd be nice to be able to defend myself (so yea, realtime hot swappable weaponry too please).

* Will go back there in Odyssey, on foot. Might be fun!
 
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Ydiss

Ydiss
Oytis57 said:
Forget about them in HGEs,you can hope in some Elite Large ships to drop them (had a couple from Elite T10s),it's bugged from ages they won't simply spawn in HGEs.
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The problem is, we can't prove a negative. There are still players adamant HGEs spawn in outbreak systems. I'm not convinced though. Largely because no one has actually shown that to be true, just said so.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Ydiss said:
It's still way lower chance of seeing HGE compared to other states
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Outbreak HGE do seem rare indeed, pretty much like Civil Unrest ones.
But as far as i recall, that was always the case.

I was not uncommon to find 5-6 HGE in an imperial system with no state and top up on Imperial shielding in less than 20 minutes
Compared with hunting for PI and get 30 in 3 hours

Again, not saying that it's normal, but at least for the last 2 years that's how it worked.
 

Oytis57

Oytis57
Franc Kaos said:
I just spent two hours in Dav's Hope and filled my mats (except for Heat Vanes - really really rare for some reason but got 50 of them), jumped back to Sirius (5 jumps each way) and traded for what I needed.
Fdev really need to sort out their horrendous mat collecting gameplay loop - feels more like torture than game playing.

Fake Edit: And let me buy some gorram AX weapons, the tech's been out there for a while so we shouldn't need to mat gather for them at Guardian sites* - not that I would shoot at a Thargoid but it'd be nice to be able to defend myself (so yea, realtime hot swappable weaponry too please).

* Will go back there in Odyssey, on foot. Might be fun!
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Dav's Hope is not very profitable for High Grade mats,you usually get G2/3 with some rare G4,that's all,while HGEs are always better/quicker and mostly G5.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
AceMcKool said:
That looks useful! Thanks! :)
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Useful but likely not helpful in this case.

The vast majority of PIs can be seen not looted in outbreak, meaning they're obtained by another method than HGEs.

I'll bet those 9 reported just happened to be anaconda ships in outbreak systems.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Northpin said:
Outbreak HGE do seem rare indeed, pretty much like Civil Unrest ones.
But as far as i recall, that was always the case.
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It wasn't. Before 3.0, when the uss spawn system was upgraded, they were as common as any other. Rare, boring, but guaranteed to get it you waited in SC for long enough.

Which wasn't long. Like, less than 30 minutes long. Often within 10.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Oytis57 said:
Dav's Hope is not very profitable for High Grade mats,you usually get G2/3 with some rare G4,that's all,while HGEs are always better/quicker and mostly G5.
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Yup, much better to farm Proto, imperial, core dynamics or just do missions for bio, efcs etc.
 

Oytis57

Oytis57
Ydiss said:
The problem is, we can't prove a negative. There are still players adamant HGEs spawn in outbreak systems. I'm not convinced though. Largely because no one has actually shown that to be true, just said so.
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Exactly I have never seen proof of it,I regularly farm G4/5 Manufactured Mats in HGEs and then trade down,hit a lot of Outbreak systems (not that they are easy lately to be honest) and never once got the PIs,and out of my memory there was a post (Twitter perhaps?) where someone from Fdev admitted there was a problem,never fixed so far.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Ydiss said:
There are still players adamant HGEs spawn in outbreak systems
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They dont spawn in Outbreak systems... they spawn in systems that have factions in Outbreak.

The former implies that the ruling faction has to be in Outbreak (and this limits drastically the search scope ), the later means that if there is a faction in that system that is in outbreak it has a chance to spawn HGE (even if that faction has only 5% influence and it's at the bottom)

Sure if the faction has multiple states, the chance to spawn an Outbreak HGE diminishes.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Oytis57 said:
Exactly I have never seen proof of it,I regularly farm G4/5 Manufactured Mats in HGEs and then trade down,hit a lot of Outbreak systems (not that they are easy lately to be honest) and never once got the PIs,and out of my memory there was a post (Twitter perhaps?) where someone from Fdev admitted there was a problem,never fixed so far.
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Wouldn't surprise me.

Bruce has said they're going to look at mats grinding (they don't like it either). Hopefully they'll nuke this then.
 

AceMcKool

AceMcKool
Northpin said:
sitting is where you got it wrong.
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I got tired of flying around and finding nothing. 🤷‍♂️

Check inara, look how many systems nearby have factions in Outbreak
You can pick them at random and do a loop between 10-15 systems.
Or you can review some of those systems and pick high pop, single star (so you dont get hge at 400000 ls), eventually Imperial - at least you can top up on imperial shielding and you can trade them for PI if you really dont find any.
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I've been using EDDB, filtering by allegiance, state and population, and following this guide. Will try Inara to see if I get different results.

Single star, I hadn't thought of that. Thanks! :)

EDIT: fixed the quote.
 
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Franc Kaos

Franc Kaos
Oytis57 said:
Dav's Hope is not very profitable for High Grade mats,you usually get G2/3 with some rare G4,that's all,while HGEs are always better/quicker and mostly G5.
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I must admit, whenever I clock an HGE I stop for it, but I don't go searching for them anymore. I still haven't visited the crashed Mothership that needs various things just to open the doors, just watched Obsidian Ant do it then move on.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Northpin said:
They dont spawn in Outbreak systems... they spawn in systems that have factions in Outbreak.

The former implies that the ruling faction has to be in Outbreak (and this limits drastically the search scope ), the later means that if there is a faction in that system that is in outbreak it has a chance to spawn HGE (even if that faction has only 5% influence and it's at the bottom)

Sure if the faction has multiple states, the chance to spawn an Outbreak HGE diminishes.
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That makes sense. And is likely the main issue.

Personally, I'd just prefer it if there was a specific activity required to find stuff. If you want one thing, you can do x, y or z to get it. No rng.

Love shard sites and other similar locations. That's exactly what mats gathering needs. Stuff like that.

Hate randomness. Not this much anyway.
 

Ydiss

Ydiss
Oytis57 said:
Let's hope,also hope they'll tone down the terrible exchange rate at Material Traders.
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He said they're looking at that too.

If they obliterate rng (by giving specific alternative options that just work) and up the trade rate, I'd say there's little to complain about then.

My take on it is... Stuff like davs hope and MEF runs at settlements... These locations provide an abundance but only if you relog grind it. Yet shard sites are abundant (they just take a chunk of time to do). I'd much rather most materials work that way. Like manufactured should be abundant in a city somewhere. Ie never need to relog, just travel there and spend time doing x, y or z to get a, b or c mats.

Doing an MEF run should work the same but if you then go to another and do it within 24 hours, the number of mats dropping increases. That should keep happening.

That's going to make you explore. Yes, you have to do repetitive stuff but all those different settlement types would make it fun. Plus, if you did say 10 in a row then that should be it... All the high end data you need for ages.
 
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Oytis57

Oytis57
Franc Kaos said:
I must admit, whenever I clock an HGE I stop for it, but I don't go searching for them anymore. I still haven't visited the crashed Mothership that needs various things just to open the doors, just watched Obsidian Ant do it then move on.
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Honestly farming HGEs is easy work,find one with a long timer (25/30 minutes) drop there collect logoff totally from the game,login again enter SC and the HGE will spawn again on your back,rinse and repeat like usual,with on HGE on long timer you can top off its Mats for the duration.State War/Civil War/Boom/Imperial systems.
 
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