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Totally misleading title. But a good example of why people should be careful who they let into their PGs because there are always those out there looking to mine salt.
Miribot on SA posted a quote from one of the seriously down the rabbit hole types.
Apparently they confuse idiocy with courage.
And that last line... Jeebus wept.
Apparently they confuse idiocy with courage.
And that last line... Jeebus wept.
Oh wow. There's a lot to untangle here.
"setting the bar for space sims": ahah, no.
" in the very beginning ": not either... i could again bring out good old Starglider II since i mentioned it before but there are other examples (Warhead, for instance, a precursor of IWAR series..)
"of space sim gameplay (Wing Commander)": WC was never a space sim. That was a space arcade shooter wrapped in a cinematic kind of universe. Granted it was entertaining but was not a "space sim" by any measure.
"a no-compromise game": oh really, lets see how many compromises he's made these years. Where's the VR support ? The tens of thousands players per instance ? The huge explorable universe with fully proc gen worlds ? Oops ?
Ah crap that was only the first sentence...
"After decades of making games": not really. These decades have been on and off for him, mostly off. Besides he didnt "make" any game, as a coder, but rather inspected pixel colors or whatever, waved his hands to explain concepts, and stole a code idea from a games show to then claim it was his own.
"setting the bar for space sims": ahah, no.
" in the very beginning ": not either... i could again bring out good old Starglider II since i mentioned it before but there are other examples (Warhead, for instance, a precursor of IWAR series..)
"of space sim gameplay (Wing Commander)": WC was never a space sim. That was a space arcade shooter wrapped in a cinematic kind of universe. Granted it was entertaining but was not a "space sim" by any measure.
"a no-compromise game": oh really, lets see how many compromises he's made these years. Where's the VR support ? The tens of thousands players per instance ? The huge explorable universe with fully proc gen worlds ? Oops ?
Ah crap that was only the first sentence...
The Gemini is a loaner for the A2 Hercules (along with another MSR and another Caterpillar)...I melted my original Gemini a couple of years agoWait, what are you still doing with that useless heap of junk ? I conceive that you have an immoderate love for space cows, but the T10 is actually a good ship for several purposes, while that Gemini has really nothing going for it... no cargo space, no speed, useless in combat, and a completely non-existing gameplay loop. Thought you would have melted that one a long time ago
Indeed "playing" SC is having fun with the broken physics, or trying to park things into others and watch the game engine implode. I just briefly tried to connect to the PU, got a 30K after 2 minutes, then connected again, 10 minutes later another 30K, in between the desync was about 2-3 seconds (which makes anything PvP completely futile). For reference i am on a 2Gbps fiber connection with ~10ms ping. Other walking players were teleporting all around, ships were jumping from one position to another... then everything went down.
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Viajero
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Wie die Star-Citizen-Community jetzt schon Spaß beim Spielen hat
In Star Citizens Alpha-Versionen gibt es Fans organisierte Rally-Events, Riesen-Deathmatches, professionelle Security-Mitarbeiter und Ingame-Journalisten.
www.gamestar.de
This kind of narrative pushing for a "playable now" game seen both from CIG or "encouraged" by CIG as in this article, plus the continuous, extreme and wild monetization CIG pushes SC with, usually seen only in released games, should be all that game review and critic outlets need to perform scored reviews on SC.
CIG is literally having their proverbial cake and eating it while buyers are left without one of the key elements often considered when making a purchase decision. Like them or not, independent scored reviews are a core check and balance of the video game ecosystem and SC is, to all practical purposes including refund policies, a delivered game, early access or not. 10 years in and 350 million after, I am not really sure what critics and reviewers are waiting for tbh.
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according to several review sources I watch an "official release announcement". Too many have been burned with their preemtpive snapshot reviews culminating in comment bombing and toxic behavior. I get the feeling that most of them are going through that stuff one more time for good and be done with it.
Cool scene up close
Published "playable now" gameCool scene up close
I find myself wondering just how many times he's watched Ready Player One with a tub of hand lotion because he seems to be under the impression James Halliday is designing this game. Or Stephen Spielberg. Or Jesus.
(Incidentally do you know who the inspiration was for Halliday in the original novel of Ready Player One, which is infinitely more geeky and 80s than the film adaptation? Richard Garriott
)
lol, it is because of a frequent poster to the starcitizen refunds sub reddit. set up a site with racist stuff that mentions SDC. and this person has no relation to SDC, obviously.
![[VR] Merkir](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/141/141091.jpg?1553527154){kind=avatar}
Sandwurmie approves.
This is very true, however a normal game developer uses their own money. Their core software must work or they risk losing their money.
In contrast, CRobber receives an ever increasing flow of donations, allowing him to use a never ending technical debt business model at no financial risk to himself. And all the while donors are building up his massive share equity / net worth.
The shame of it is that we don't even know if CIG's devs are capable of coding the foundation systems - the 64 bit positioning & physics, the MMO netcode, the persistence frameworks. Based on what we've seen, there's little evidence they can.
POSSIBLE SOLUTION (?)
Backers have to change their mindset. That's no easy task. They need to realise that some risk must be placed on CRobbers himself. If they can get a groundswell movement going, eg. on Spectrum, they could potentially, over time, reduce the donation flow and force CRobbers to take out larger loans or conditional capital/equity injection from further investors (much moreso than Calders). I'd suggest a $100 million loan would be sufficient to make deadlines become real, and then within 12-24 months it will become obvious whether they have the capability to properly develop the foundation software/services.
TLDR; Backers need to realise that CRobbers must be forced into some financial risk, otherwise there is little incentive for him to ever finish this game.
I'm shocked that an overly invested (emotionally and financially) whale backer like CaptainRichard would believe in a false narrative, without any proof, just to keep themselves happy and content. And repeat it to others like it's a fact. Shocked!
Wie die Star-Citizen-Community jetzt schon Spaß beim Spielen hat
In Star Citizens Alpha-Versionen gibt es Fans organisierte Rally-Events, Riesen-Deathmatches, professionelle Security-Mitarbeiter und Ingame-Journalisten.
This kind of narrative pushing for a "playable now" game seen both from CIG or "encouraged" by CIG as in this article, plus the continuous, extreme and wild monetization CIG pushes SC with, usually seen only in released games, should be all that game review and critic outlets need to perform scored reviews on SC.
CIG is literally having their proverbial cake and eating it while buyers are left without one of the key elements often considered when making a purchase decision. Like them or not, independent scored reviews are a core check and balance of the video game ecosystem and SC is, to all practical purposes including refund policies, a delivered game, early access or not. 10 years in and 350 million after, I am not really sure what critics and reviewers are waiting for tbh.
I really don't understand why the gaming press haven't decided its time to review SC as a released product since CR is saying its "playable now"
SC really is a product of its time. They really live in their own alternate reality where history is rewritten to fit their narrative at will. No politics allowed, I know but it's hard not to find similarities with some qality persons full of tolerance and love for science.
Viajero
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True, but that is prolly only part of the reason. And yet, drama tends to be good for clicks if properly managed. Also, I know this may come as a shock but there are still a number of outlets that in between ad revenues and payed articles manage somehow to do the right thing here and there. Given 10 years+ of history it is somewhat surprising none at all have managed.
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Viajero
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The level of coordinated pressure you are suggesting here is probably highly difficult to achieve. Much easier to simply vote with your wallet, and that is proving rather challenging as it is
.As difficult as it may also be to materialize I suspect regulator intervention is eventually a tad more likely than this and the challenge of the scenario you propose is precisely one of the main reasons they exist.
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