It is funny, though. Doubly so if it is deserved.
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It is funny, though. Doubly so if it is deserved.
It's only on t'interweb media outlets that folk from both camps take SC too seriously...those of us who play it spend a lot of time laughing at eachother, namely at how much money and time we've spent on it over the years or randomly taking the mickey out of the true faithful who seem to do nothing but collect ships and post endless symposia on various forms of media rather than joining us plebs actually playing the clusterfarce of Star Citizen on a daily basis
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I think, it's really a cult, too. A cult around aging men who feel that this is their last chance to cream off some sweet money. And since it has been quite successful, it has had positive feedback on their doctrines and mantras. I kinda disagree on how to react to cultists like this. Let them do their stuff and some sorry guy might slip into their fangs. You don't let stupidity just fester, you confront it where you can. You expose it where you can and you mock it where you can.
It's not how gossip works.
I will also add, whilst Jorunn is certainly one of the faithful in every sense...he's not above laughing at himself when others poke fun at him, even to sharing a giggle at the odd Ci¬G meme now and then. Mind you, concierge chat is far removed from the general Spectrum in every way possible. Folks in there aren't mindful of dishing out some heavy criticisms, even when Ci¬G moderators or devs (they chat with us a lot in concierge chat) are present. I've never been banished for anything I've typed in there, only from posting exactly the same critical stuff in the general sections of Spectrum.
Concierge live chat has been referred to as a Star Citizen echo chamber...even by the likes of SaltEMike who recently suggested it was elitist and should be taken down. No idea why since I've never seen him in there, also a tad hypocritical considering the amount he's spent on SC as well as having a $5k 'sponsored' gaming PC handed to him by Ci¬G. Hell...even FTR dropped in now and then when he used to play SC just to shoot the breeze. Considering his outspoken and critical views of SC and Ci¬G, you'd expect him to be made unwelcome if it was such an echo chamber...he's fairly popular in there, as are his videos... I suppose because he's not shy of admitting he's one of us idiots who've spent way too much money on the project, even if he does dish out some dirt...that probably helps
Concierge live chat has been referred to as a Star Citizen echo chamber...even by the likes of SaltEMike who recently suggested it was elitist and should be taken down. No idea why since I've never seen him in there, also a tad hypocritical considering the amount he's spent on SC as well as having a $5k 'sponsored' gaming PC handed to him by Ci¬G. Hell...even FTR dropped in now and then when he used to play SC just to shoot the breeze. Considering his outspoken and critical views of SC and Ci¬G, you'd expect him to be made unwelcome if it was such an echo chamber...he's fairly popular in there, as are his videos... I suppose because he's not shy of admitting he's one of us idiots who've spent way too much money on the project, even if he does dish out some dirt...that probably helps
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Seems like some people think ToW will be some sort of success rather than looking at Arena Commander, Star Marine, or CQC (in ED) and understanding that people who want to play open world games generally want to play open world games.
I mean, i like CQC, its fun. Its fast paced. Its dogfighting against others in a limited space. Its great! But when i open ED, i never give CQC a glance. I want to play ED. If i want to play a shooter, there are many great shooters out there, and i'll play one of them. SM is never going to be a replacement for Overwatch. ToW is never going to be a replacement for Battlefield. The hardcore will play it, like Musketeer plays CQC, but the player numbers will struggle, because most will want to fly their big ships in the PU, not be limited by the short scenarios.
I could be wrong about this of course, but if ToW is popular, it probably means the demographics for SC are not the second life lovers that the vocal majority seem to be.
I can't make sense of SaltE. There was this vid where his wife mocked SC being like the girlfriend you have never sex with. And he went along. Is he just putting up an act for earning his twitch money?
Most of the more recent or younger backers want ToW rather than go through the effort of playing the PU...instant spawns, vehicles and ships provided per scenario, completely PvP...I can see the attraction. The old farts the likes of me see little point in it, no matter how they try to disguise the fact that it's just another Battlefield clone...we joined for the ED experience that we thought we'd find in SC, not for some casual CoD pew action.
We don't know that. CIG has been caught astroturfing numerous times, including several times on this very forum. It's a familiar pattern: new account (or one that was barely used before) suddenly rushes onto this forum, absolutely gushing about how fantastic Star Citizen is, rarely posts outside this thread, always wants to emphasize CIG's current marketing points, rarely posts any of their own content, and then vanishes after it becomes clear that too many people are suspicious of them.
For a company whose head once claimed that one dollar pledged to CIG is worth five spent on the evil publishers because they don't need to spend any on marketing, CIG seems to spend an awful lot of money on marketing.
Mike can be a bit like a UK 50p coin...seven sided and two faced when it suits him. He constantly ribs other concierge backers to gain the popular peasantry vote sometimes on his streams...where as his weekly offerings and tutorial videos tell a different story. I like Mike too, but this 'not one of you' attitude grates after a while through the sheer hypocrisy of it.
That's one thing I can assure you Jorunn isn't. Whether he gets a back hander every now and then for being a prominent content creator for SC is another matter...who can tell these days? The waters are well muddied already by the likes of Mike, RexZilla and others.
MODS!!!!
Et tu, Brute?
MODS!!!
That wasn't what CRobber said, you FUDster! He said that he will hire just a quarter of devs required for this project. Marketing spendings would be the same as any regular publisher.
And if you wonder where the salaries of 3/4 of all devs he had not hired go, well, the answer is
Regarding the gossip, rudeness and 3rd-party, what would happen if this thread was managed by CI-G, I wonder?
Oh wait, that's Spectrum!
Wait a minute, are you guys saying certain people on the internet can be compensated in various means either directly or indirectly by CIG and other companies in order to portray themselves as legitimate customers when in fact they are not, making them part of the marketing campaign for the single most expensive collection of pixels in the history of gaming?
I need some air.. this.. this changes everything. My faith in the internet, nay, humanity as a whole, has tumbled to new lows.
I need some air.. this.. this changes everything. My faith in the internet, nay, humanity as a whole, has tumbled to new lows.
@CIG - am willing to shill. Must pay better than Derek Smart!
They just told me to f-off when I offered to shill SC in exchange for a $5k PC...even offered to paint my cows with cow sized Idris's
I genuinely don't care about the daft slurs you're throwing out. I do think they make you a massive hypocrite in this context though. One to ponder maybe.
And once again you're aiming your ire at a simplistic strawman, and ignoring the attempts to point this out to you. The targets of the mocking have done more than just spend money on dubious stuff. In this case, Jorunn is doing some classic mis-selling of that same stuff:
Let's break it down shall we:
Claim: "the interior is fully 1-1 scale modeled".
Reality: The ship in that footage is a hollow shell. (Various demos of the interior assets have been shown, but never deployed in a playable build.)
Claim: "[It] will require a crew of dozens of players and NPCs to operate"
Reality:
- To get the above hollow shell + turrets into the test servers alongside other hollow capital-class ships they had to remove a large asteroid base and reduce the player cap from 50 to 40. And it still drops to sub 20fps on a 3080. (Even though empty space is the one area they can normally get 60fps+).
- Given the state of the networking & performance 8 years+ after Kickstarter, and their missed goals to support a 100k player shard by 2019 (and indeed earlier), the Idris becoming a functional multicrew ship is far from a certainty. (If they can't get their mythical 'server meshing' to work a handful of Idris will max out their server cap in no time, for a start.)
Agony's aside very pithily captures some key issues with those dreamy statements.
And that's a key point about a lot of the finger pointing that is done here, and elsewhere. It streamlines the above detail into easily digestible rejoinders, which can be used to counter the more absurd oversell. (And give any interested noobs the nod that not all is as shiny as it seems).
Plenty of people in this thread do go out and do that periodically. But it ain't a daily thing, at least not for me, because forget that noise. Who needs the flack?
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Dear Mole, obviously you made a marketing mistake. Your cows must buy their Idris jpegs from Holy Roberts, not receive it from you for free.They just told me to f-off when I offered to shill SC in exchange for a $5k PC...even offered to paint my cows with cow sized Idris's
I believe if you alter the deal the way I pictured, CRobber will be happy to accept it.
Your hardware is clearly sub-par. Upgrade to the recommended specs before blaming it on the software.
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