just curious: is that your concern? that frontier would ban voice attack for all this noise?
er ... nope? at all?
Proposal Discussion Anti Botting Agreement Idea 3.1 Player incentivised, VR compatible in-station "not-a-literal-Captcha"
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just curious: is that your concern? that frontier would ban voice attack for all this noise?
er ... nope? at all?
"asking for irrefutable proof is disingenuous at best"? Yeah, let's not ask for proof, why would we ever want to prove something? Let's just base all our decisions on assumptions, I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
I know it is, I just did a Google search for Elite Dangerous bots .... didn't find any, but in the results of all the useful LEGAL 3rd-party tools, I did find one trainer for Elite Dangerous (no, I won't share the link, and no I don't use them) ... but no bots.
What's my angle? I just want proof. I want to know that you and others want to make changes to the game, for the right reasons, because I am having serious doubts about that. I have been here a long time, I've seen nearly everything on this forum, and I am still here despite all the trolls and (words I can't say, thanks forum profanity filter) and people who don't have this game's best interests at heart.
The OP of this thread, a Moderator of this forum, has talked about introducing a game mechanic which, if you prove you are human, you get rewarded .... and others are supporting that, and either you don't see what's wrong with what you are suggesting, or you do see what's wrong with what you are suggesting, but try to gaslight and bully people like me, for merely asking for proof, because you don't have this game's best interests at heart.
So, again,for the umpteenth time, I ask .... and will keep banging this drum .... where is the proof bots either are being used or are a problem?
In this thread Jane Turner is just another poster as she wouldn't be permitted to moderate a thread she is participating in.
Recently there was an accusation that a player group had to be using bots because they out-BGS'd the 'experts' which, of course, is unthinkable... So we get a 'crusade' over bots because someone's ego got dented.
I'm not disputing the possibility that automated accounts are working in the game - but as they are allegedly operating in solo said claims are, understandably, based on assumption.
But, look at the positive side of things, have a super-powerful player group behind a pogrom on bots, it has to be great, doesn't it? Calling for other groups to get behind their 'flag' makes for an even more powerful statement also...
have fun with your little drum!
ok, could have started there. this could potentially be a case where frontier is backed into a corner and just breaks free appeasing the masses with a non solution that doesn't really address the problem and probably even makes it worse o creates a few new problems (see logout timer, blocking, "beta testing"). yes, that's part of the game.
that particular proposal is completely backwards but others not so. i would ask for your idea but i see you are still waiting for proof that rain is wet, so ... meanwhile, one thing i can assure you is that frontier couldn't ban voice attack and most other 3rd party tools even if they wanted to, which i highly doubt they ever will, simply because that would be impossible to enforce.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Jane Turner
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Give it time
Because its at best a very weak defence against it- it relies on you and the supposed bot being instanced together. FD have to assume that anyone regardless of mode can do dodgy things.
But saying that, as I set out earlier you can game PG AFK turretboats for combat expansion merits and rack up utterly mental amounts safely. Its why weighted merits for Powerplay was considered, because it at least provides the opportunity to come across these AFK ships in Open (who risk destruction on discovery for a full %), and that people who do it in isolation can't profit from it. Couple that with CZ changes / removal / alter heal beams thats one exploit directly challenged via many layers.
The reason conclusive proof has to be asked for is that the claim is implausible. We're getting asked to believe that someone has written an extremely complex bit of software capable of automating mission selection, loading, navigating to another system and unloading. Yes, all that is possible, but what motivation did they have? They don't gain real money, sex, admiration or RL power. They have to keep their achievement forever secret and in fact have to organise the use of their software while making sure it has no web footprint.
There is also an alternative explanation: that OPs faction just aren't as good at BGS as they think they are.
Big claims need to be backed by big evidence, and Occam's Razor inclines us to the simpler explanation for the observed facts.
I don't say there are no bots, but I need some reason to believe in them.
If the spreadsheet says that a system can only be affected by X% and it is affected by Z% it must be bots as the spreadsheet cannot be wrong
According by how they act, they love to grief. The bot may not be extremely complex, but tied with things like P2P hacks, they could have a human complete 1 mission, and then trick the servers that it completed that mission 50 times instead...
And, come on. This is the internet. Just the past week I saw people lose millions of dollars individually in WallStreetBets to "stick it to the hedgefunds". People in the internet don't need a good motivation other than weaponised idiocy to do things.
If the spreadsheet says that a system can only be affected by X% and it is affected by Z% it must be bots as the spreadsheet cannot be wrong
"This anarchy system naturally decayed in influence for 4 months because 3 randoms were doing missions nearby... it must be griefing! We're under a massive coordinated attack by this NPC faction! Woah." : The very same people
Really?
Wow!
And I thought I could be obscure... Never mind, it is only a silly game...
Yeah, apparently (though this might be speculation) the P2P nature of the game can be exploited to send repeated actions to the servers, so that bots aren't necessarily completing 50 missions, they just do it once... and it counts multiple times. That plus their constant effort doing this all day, translates into off the charts results
You know what I am going to say .... don't you?
To be fair you did say "apparently"
Even once in a while is pointless, as is the lure of a special deal to sweeten the inconvenience.
If an account plays ED 24/7, then surely that's a hint of something's out of the ordinary. Couldn't FD detect that?
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Ahh, yet another reason console trumps pc
Trying to block the use of voice attack or other automation is a very unlikely scenario as how do you identify from where the keypress or button came from? Of course this can be done, but at what player cost?
And that brings us back to the core issue, how widespread is the botting problem? and sofar there appears to be very limited data to support this is a widespread problem.