Slave Carriers Update

[theGunner76]

Maybe they could write an article about how a lovable band of nerf-herders and freedom-lovers got their small hard-earned asteroid base stolen from them from an evil axis of bad guys? Asking for a friend.

Think I read something about removing anarchy systems in one of those patch notes... Could be wrong, though

 

[Sublime]

https://www.frontierstore.net/code-of-conduct <- counts for ALL FD multiplayer games



The italic part can be considered as an exception for ganking or piracy, but fleet carriers are not intended to be used to abduct and maroon other commanders intentionally.

It does appear to refer more to real life than than in game actions. As for “intended use” of fleet carriers, it is impossible to abduct or maroon anyone in this game to the point that they are unable to put a stop to it at any point they wish.

The fact that a player does not know about a game mechanic like self destructing their ship is not the fault of another player and it’s not the other player that should be punished for it.

If we take the CoC to apply to in game mechanics, the harassment clause could easily come into play if someone repeatedly ganks another person, but all of that is allowed and widely considered part of the game.

HARASSMENT
We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

If it needs to be debated why a player shouldn't be effectively blocked accessing the game content he/she paid for - well, no wonder the game is such a state as is, afterall community feedback resulted in broken mining economy, broken exploration mechanics and broken fleet carriers.

 

[Ettanin]

You have to choose to land on one, you can't be forced to do so. By definition you're taking the risk of being at the mercy of a FC owner if you stay on for a jump somewhere, you're not being "forced".

Scamming does not entail force. Sure, you can decide whether to land or not. Scamming is a confidence trick to make you do mistakes without your knowledge. In this regard, FDev's decision is correct.

 

[Sublime]

If you look at the context (however dumb it may be for a not-so-new player), marooning and forcing self destruct + freewinder is a way to force a player to kiss engineered
modules goodbye.

You certainly can’t claim ignorance of the self-destruct mechanic if you’re at the point of having engineered modules. Nor can you really be considered a new player anymore.

 

[Sublime]

Who has time to read those things? I just try not to play like a scumbag in games, and so far I haven't been banned from any so I assume I'm within the rules.

If you haven’t even read it, surely you cannot make the claim that it is a “clear-cut case” of breaking it.

 

[JonLuis69]

Bally hell, I only stepped out of the room for a minute and you lot are at each others throats.

I can see that I am the stabilising influence round here, what what

That isn't completely true, as my decision to not partake whatsoever, up to this point, has also reduced the tension in this thread.

My silence has resonated throughout this thread like a veritable cloth on a bell clapper, and I can speak for thousands, THOUSANDS of others...

 

[Ettanin]

You certainly can’t claim ignorance of the self-destruct mechanic if you’re at the point of having engineered modules. Nor can you really be considered a new player anymore.

And still, players run out of fuel all the time, crash into planets, forgot a scoop or to engineer their FSD before their trip into deeper spaces or jump a one-way route without a neutron star back. Everyone makes mistakes. Not only new players.
And yes, such mistakes also include falling for a confidence trick.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

It does appear to refer more to real life than than I game actions. As for “intended use” of fleet carriers, it is impossible to abduct or maroon anyone in this game to the point that they are unable to put a stop to it at any point they wish.

The fact that a player does not know about a game mechanic like self destructing their ship is not the fault of another player and it’s not the other player that should be punished for it.

If we take the CoC to apply to in game mechanics, the harassment clause could easily come into play if someone repeatedly ganks another person, but all of that is allowed and widely considered part of the game.

Yes yes yes, and if we got creative enough in interpreting words even murder can be twisted to sound legal.

I already knew that when you asked for proof, you would be determined to not accept it no matter what you were shown lol.

 

[foxhart]

Seriously?!?! Screw frontier. Ugh anytime something interesting happens frontier jumps in and RUINS everything. This was literally setting up a player conflict worthy of any in game event. Hell probably better. And here comes incompetent frontier with the ing antifun hammer. What happened to letting rhe players policing this. Me and my buddies started getting back on. Recruited a few new friends to get into it and prepare for war with the slavers and NOPE. Should tell them to get a refund after this. First you push odyssey back on xbox now you remove a potential player event? Ugh!!!!

 

[Vetinari]

Bally hell, I only stepped out of the room for a minute and you lot are at each others throats.

I can see that I am the stabilising influence round here, what what

I knew it! Poylgon phoned after your earlier comment?

well, no wonder the game is such a state as is, afterall community feedback resulted in broken mining economy, broken exploration mechanics and broken fleet carriers.

The state of the game ia whole other thread. And the community should stop asking for broken things, thats the mistake right there.

 

[CMDR IDRATHERBERIDIN]

You have to choose to land on one, you can't be forced to do so. By definition you're taking the risk of being at the mercy of a FC owner if you stay on for a jump somewhere, you're not being "forced". And sure, that's not the intention - but neither was the use of fireworks as weapons yet here we are. Thinking about this, that sounds like a great plan for Power Play stuff: get the enemy CMDRs to land and jump away, preventing them from completing objectives against your Faction until the weekly campaign is over. Would/Should that result in a ban too?

Here, here. Leaving the game on any unknown CMDR's carrier is just plain stupid.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

If you haven’t even read it, surely you cannot make the claim that it is a “clear-cut case” of breaking it.

Yeah well when the people who wrote it did it, and made that claim? Yup, I can make that claim. That's how this works....

Come on man, why is this the hill you're so determined to die on? Is that scummy guy even worth all this?

 

[Sublime]

And still, players run out of fuel all the time, crash into planets, forgot a scoop or to engineer their FSD before their trip into deeper spaces or jump a one-way route without a neutron star back. Everyone makes mistakes. Not only new players.
And yes, such mistakes also include falling for a confidence trick.

Absolutely, 100% agreed. Anyone can make a noob mistake anytime, myself included. I don’t expect others to be punished for it though.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Last year there was a thread from a guy, fairly new, he had landed on an FC on a Friday, was buy over the weekend and came back to find his ship miles from where he left it, He was very upset that FC's could just do this. I know this isn't the same, enticing and abducting, but say that happens again, and the 'victim' claims you abducted him. You could lose your carrier, no refund and be banished to paradise (SOLO) that is why the act of abduction is going to have to be judged carefully.

 

[Ettanin]

Absolutely, 100% agreed. Anyone can make a noob mistake anytime, myself included. I don’t expect others to be punished for it though.

It's punishable (for the other) if they intentionally steer you to do the mistake. Again, scamming relies on confidence, not force.

 

[Sublime]

Yes yes yes, and if we got creative enough in interpreting words even murder can be twisted to sound legal.

I already knew that when you asked for proof, you would be determined to not accept it no matter what you were shown lol.

Not really. It’s just hypocritical to punish some actions but not other, seemingly equivalent ones.

 

[zimms]

I don't really care if I get flamed on this, so...

The vast majority of people on the forum are not new to the game. If you're reading this, you've been around a while, and you understand the game mechanics.

The people getting scammed don't know how the game is played. They probably don't know about self-destruct. They may not know about the freewinder. There are a lot of assumptions being made.

Basically, if I was in that position, I'd assume I was completely screwed and would have to start over. That drives players out of the game.

In short, what the crap slavers was everything short of cool, and defending on the grounds of introducing new aspects of the game is bovine excrement. You people know better. You're clearly okay with exploiting new players. You're also probably okay with kicking kittens, too.

Gank new players in open. That's part of the game. Picking on Harmless players as Elites gets you nothing. It isn't even a challenge. It does nothing except stroke your ego by kicking said kitten. That said, that IS part of the game, so no serious issue there.

Lying to players to board a carrier, jumping them 600+ LY away and tricking them into mining... that's exploitation. That's not a game mechanic. That's deception.

Flame me all you want, but remember that right now you're acting from a position of entitlement. You know the system, you exploit the system (so do I, mining FTW), and even if you're not actually doing the slaving, it's clear that you tacitly condone it.

I don't care who you are, but it's a Richard move and you know it. Stop being a Richard. Find someone your own size to push around, and stop being a damn bully.

Insulting and accusing everyone is supposed to help how?

Ahem, sorry. I meant:

Oh my God, I can't believe you condone ganking. You see a new player in a Sidewinder who just finished the tutorial and you come in with your Engineered Corvette and kill him again and again and again. That's harassment that only serves to stroke your ego.

I can't believe you're trying to claim the moral high ground. That's exactly the kind of person who loves to slap a puppy just for fun. As someone once said: Find someone your own size to push around, and stop being a damn bully.

Did I do this right? Or can we have a conversation about this topic without name calling?

 

[Sublime]

Yeah well when the people who wrote it did it, and made that claim? Yup, I can make that claim. That's how this works....

Come on man, why is this the hill you're so determined to die on? Is that scummy guy even worth all this?

I’m not defending him, I’m criticizing over the top, knee-jerk reactions that are an overall detriment to the game and the community.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

We came so close to getting a "yeah, well, everyone knows FD hate the players' comment.