Shadow ban effectively turns ED into a single-player game - having no effect on any other player, so no BGS / PP effects - think about how useful a shadow ban could be otherwise
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Slave Carriers Update
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Well, you ain't any fun then!
From a 'game' perspective it did answer Frontier's "We can't wait to see what players do with them" comment about fleet carriers, and is (IMO) pretty much a reasonable 'tie-in' to the game lore.. (as, in truth, the game is pretty amoral overall)
Of course, the associated external content appears to be particularly undesirable (I've not visited them, so am going entriely by hearsay) but unless the 'sentiments' expressed externally were also expressed in-game they are hardly relevant, surely?
So, my opinion is split - the alleged external content needs to be cleaned up, indeed - game content, had it not been 'new' players being duped (as always, it is the newest who are targeted by 'undesirables' in one way or another) it probably would have generated some excellent 'emergent content' from the game communities itself. Frontier have exercised their right to Shadow Ban the organisers, not something we should be shouting down, because, as alleged 'grown-ups' we should be able to understand the need to do 'the right thing as seen by society' even if in disagreement over the details.
It makes me wonder if this would have been "a sharp word and don't do it again" without the gobby RP nonsense. I think the Venn diagram of racist language, kids, duff reporting and edge case use of game mechanics gave them little wiggle room.
I'm looking forward to Odyssey though, because with physical multicrew kidnapping is going to get very real if people wing with random people (like with 'regular' MC).
Shadow ban removes any and all ability to influence the BGS, it's like playing on a completely stand-alone server which is air-gapped from the game proper.
For me it is not attacking but argueing, that is how a discussion works.
This incident teached the involved "slaves" a lesson about real life in a game: Don´t trust strangers; if something is suspicious, ask other people (Dad, where are you?) or gather informations via google, forums etc.. No money was lost, no real harm was done. This is a story, they can tell their friends later on.
I think, that is the main point between you and some others. We don´t see it as slavery for all the reasons already written down. For you, everybody who argues against FDEVs sanction or your interpretation of this event is supporting slavery, so it sounds to me from what you have said.
I saw the interview too and thought that the guy is an (insert rude word of your own choice). But that is not a reason to punish him like FDEV did possibly.
No, it is not! We are at the start again. I don´t like slave traders, I don´t like Mamba pilots (only an example
), I don´t like pilots in the system chat, that only babble nonsense.It is not you, it is not me, it is the community. We should be careful, what of our whishes shoud be fullfilled, I think that is the concern of many people here.
Well, you ain't any fun then!
From a 'game' perspective it did answer Frontier's "We can't wait to see what players do with them" comment about fleet carriers, and is (IMO) pretty much a reasonable 'tie-in' to the game lore.. (as, in truth, the game is pretty amoral overall)
Of course, the associated external content appears to be particularly undesirable (I've not visited them, so am going entriely by hearsay) but unless the 'sentiments' expressed externally were also expressed in-game they are hardly relevant, surely?
So, my opinion is split - the alleged external content needs to be cleaned up, indeed - game content, had it not been 'new' players being duped (as always, it is the newest who are targeted by 'undesirables' in one way or another) it probably would have generated some excellent 'emergent content' from the game communities itself. Frontier have exercised their right to Shadow Ban the organisers, not something we should be shouting down, because, as alleged 'grown-ups' we should be able to understand the need to do 'the right thing as seen by society' even if in disagreement over the details.
I guess the real question is that if a ban has in fact happened, exactly what was it for, i.e. which aspect of the whole and that's one thing I think we're never destined to discover because FDev don't have a history of discussing those issues in that level of detail, in fact the only time I can think of that they did was the G5 engineering exploit.
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I'm also looking forward to Odyssey but purely because I quite fancy shooting Commandos in the face for no other reason than it will entertain me. I'd even consider ship based pvp if I didn't have to endure the tedium of engineering a meta build.
Cant wait for the forum psychologists calling me and similar players psychopaths.
I read Frontier’s Terms of Service. This is the first line:
“If you buy, download, use, access, or play (“Use”) the Elite Dangerous client and/or server and/or launcher (the “Game”), you represent and warrant that (i) you are aware of the applicable age rating for the Game; (ii) you are old enough to play the Game \[…\]”.
If a person is old enough to be legally bound by their decisions, then surely they are old enough to bear whatever emotional stress may arise by having been virtually slighted in a video game.
What the “slavers” did was, at worst, a little rude - but no more. It can’t even be called immoral. It doesn’t make any more sense to judge a person’s morality based on a video game than it does any of their other personality traits. My character makes more money than God, and yet no bank would ever be tempted to grant me a loan based on my character’s fiscal prowess. In the same way, it doesn’t make any sense to assess someone’s real-life culpability for an in-game crime. No, what is immoral is you feigning virtue by doling out real-life punishments for virtual offenses. On top of that, it isn't as though Frontier markets Elite Dangerous as a feel-good, love-and-be-loved space game. They do exactly the opposite, which is why I and many others are/were so attracted to it: it's essentially an old western set in outer space. Or it was. Now I'm worried I might get banned for sending some guy to Hutton to redeem his free Anaconda voucher. What are you going to do next - start banning NPC's for interdicting and torching noobs?
The distinction Frontier has made is this: If you like, and with no further justification, you can pull a noob out of supercruise and blow him up along with all the meta-alloy he was taking to Farseer. However, if you entice a noob into a position where he believes he must blow himself up, then you are out-of-line and no longer deserve to enjoy the game you paid for and have poured countless hours into.
I’m not a ganker, and I’ve never killed another CMDR - a fact I’m sure someone on the internet knows how to prove. That said, I like believing that I could. I could kill a player, or be killed myself, at any time. I could swindle new players, or be swindled myself, at any time. I could blow my ship up attempting to land on a 10g world, and yet my physical body would remain wholly unaffected. That’s the whole point of a video game. You can play out seemingly-real scenarios without the real consequences – or at least, that’s why I’ve always played them. Why have you?
“If you buy, download, use, access, or play (“Use”) the Elite Dangerous client and/or server and/or launcher (the “Game”), you represent and warrant that (i) you are aware of the applicable age rating for the Game; (ii) you are old enough to play the Game \[…\]”.
If a person is old enough to be legally bound by their decisions, then surely they are old enough to bear whatever emotional stress may arise by having been virtually slighted in a video game.
What the “slavers” did was, at worst, a little rude - but no more. It can’t even be called immoral. It doesn’t make any more sense to judge a person’s morality based on a video game than it does any of their other personality traits. My character makes more money than God, and yet no bank would ever be tempted to grant me a loan based on my character’s fiscal prowess. In the same way, it doesn’t make any sense to assess someone’s real-life culpability for an in-game crime. No, what is immoral is you feigning virtue by doling out real-life punishments for virtual offenses. On top of that, it isn't as though Frontier markets Elite Dangerous as a feel-good, love-and-be-loved space game. They do exactly the opposite, which is why I and many others are/were so attracted to it: it's essentially an old western set in outer space. Or it was. Now I'm worried I might get banned for sending some guy to Hutton to redeem his free Anaconda voucher. What are you going to do next - start banning NPC's for interdicting and torching noobs?
The distinction Frontier has made is this: If you like, and with no further justification, you can pull a noob out of supercruise and blow him up along with all the meta-alloy he was taking to Farseer. However, if you entice a noob into a position where he believes he must blow himself up, then you are out-of-line and no longer deserve to enjoy the game you paid for and have poured countless hours into.
I’m not a ganker, and I’ve never killed another CMDR - a fact I’m sure someone on the internet knows how to prove. That said, I like believing that I could. I could kill a player, or be killed myself, at any time. I could swindle new players, or be swindled myself, at any time. I could blow my ship up attempting to land on a 10g world, and yet my physical body would remain wholly unaffected. That’s the whole point of a video game. You can play out seemingly-real scenarios without the real consequences – or at least, that’s why I’ve always played them. Why have you?
Not really. It will never be a SP game. A SP game wouldnt be designed like that. With instances like that and "J" pressing. There is no reason not to go with time dilation in SP - you won't see that ever in ED.Shadow ban effectively turns ED into a single-player game - having no effect on any other player, so no BGS / PP effects - think about how useful a shadow ban could be otherwise
If you're shadow banned you are for all intent and purposes now playing a single player game the manner in which you jump is irrelevant to this discussion.
So, I've been kind of out of this thread since it's getting too long to keep up with, so pardon me for posing and idiot question:
This allegedly racist content in a private Discord threat that everybody and their dog is talking about, and it's quite important to me as I wouldn't pee on an actual racist if his crotch was on fire, I'd be more likely to look around for a can of high octane gasoline, is there any actual proof of this? And Polygon/Kotaku clickbait "we heard from somebody who heard from somebody whose cousin third removed said that..." evidence doesn't count.
Screenshots? That sort of thing? Anybody? Bueller?
Also, what was the exact nature of the allegedly racist comments? I'm asking this merely because I'm more than 15 years old and I have noticed that the definition of "racist" has gotten a bit, shall we say, "fluid" over the past decade or two. To the point of it meaning "anything I disagree with". Along the lines of "anybody I don't agree with is literally Hitler".
I'm not saying that anybody stating that the "slavers" are Larpers with the most tenous of grasps on reality are off their rockers, I'm just saying that we're dealing with pretty serious accusations, at least as far as this old fart who actually has some knowledge of the time period in question, and that sort of accusation requires some sort of evidence or else it's just libel.
If I've missed something,please correct me.
This allegedly racist content in a private Discord threat that everybody and their dog is talking about, and it's quite important to me as I wouldn't pee on an actual racist if his crotch was on fire, I'd be more likely to look around for a can of high octane gasoline, is there any actual proof of this? And Polygon/Kotaku clickbait "we heard from somebody who heard from somebody whose cousin third removed said that..." evidence doesn't count.
Screenshots? That sort of thing? Anybody? Bueller?
Also, what was the exact nature of the allegedly racist comments? I'm asking this merely because I'm more than 15 years old and I have noticed that the definition of "racist" has gotten a bit, shall we say, "fluid" over the past decade or two. To the point of it meaning "anything I disagree with". Along the lines of "anybody I don't agree with is literally Hitler".
I'm not saying that anybody stating that the "slavers" are Larpers with the most tenous of grasps on reality are off their rockers, I'm just saying that we're dealing with pretty serious accusations, at least as far as this old fart who actually has some knowledge of the time period in question, and that sort of accusation requires some sort of evidence or else it's just libel.
If I've missed something,please correct me.
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Got you, thanks. I wasn’t being funny or argumentative, I just thought I’d missed a post by FD on here somewhere.
No not even so much as a hint of proof.
You sick fiend!
Exactly.
What this new people lost? Few credits after suicewinder express? And this is reason to whole drama? Just swallow this lesson.
Thank you, I thinkI didn't think for a second you were, you do that far more effectively
Well I'm interested in open up a Kumo Burger franchise and i'll need fresh umm supplies.
Remember Kumo Burger is about locally sourced ingredients and only the freshest printed vegetables.
Oh I can guarantee they'll contain the freshest scorched local ingredients possible.
Its coz 2 adults (defined as legally responsible for their decisions not defined as mature) who have signed a legal agreement not to exploit or bully other players targeted 2 children (legally defined as not being capable to make decisions) on the internet in a 7+ game and then steered them towards a private discord server and manipulated them both in game an out knowing they had no immediate adult supervision.
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