Odyssey Alpha - let us try VR 3D stereoscopic headlook on foot and alpha test its nausea trigger / gameplay

[LeoBartlet]

After threadnaught 1 it will still work in a limited fashion and that is why I still have an interest in the game going forwards.
As for promises.... I feel you are building a strawman there...... Their marketing stated elite was a game built for VR, it was sold on a VR only store.
FD are under no obligation legally to do anything, that is for sure but promise or not customers with a dead end game on the Oculus store as far as I know still don't know what will happen to them about future DLC.
Customers are entitled to complain even if no legal promised were broken (imo of course)

Imagine if the next expansion was only on the Epic store ..... But steam users could still play Horizons, so that would be ok right?

Did FD promise to release all future content on steam? No maybe not but I bet the complaints would be "Epic"

So that's a yes on question one and no on question two. Thanks.

 

[znôrt]

it's splitting hairs hour.

Out of curiosity will Elite Dangerous still work with VR post expansion?

"will work with vr" is not what a phrase like "built from the ground up for vr" conveys.

Also was there a promise on Frontiers part that all future dlc addons would be VR compatible?

frontier rarely makes promises, but all dlc of a vr compatible title being vr compatible is what you would expect unless there's a strong reason not to. actually, even though lack of commitment had been apparent for years and the future of vr was uncertain, the news of odyssey just simply dropping support were totally unexpected, and created a reaction strong enough for frontier to activate damage control.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

So that's a yes on question one and no on question two. Thanks.

So my question to you. Do you believe a customer should not be entitled to complain or leave negative feedback so long as the company they are complaining about has not broken any legal promise,.
Or would that customer just be an entitled child throwing toys of of a pram?

 

[LeoBartlet]

So my question to you. Do you believe a customer should not be entitled to complain or leave negative feedback so long as the company they are complaining about has not broken any legal promise,.
Or would that customer just be an entitled child throwing toys of of a pram?

It's fairly subjective isn't it when deciding if someones actions verge on entitlement.

 

[Scoob101]

So my question to you. Do you believe a customer should not be entitled to complain or leave negative feedback so long as the company they are complaining about has not broken any legal promise,.
Or would that customer just be an entitled child throwing toys of of a pram?

I dont think the point on feedback is up for discussion. The primary purpose for the forums to exist is to illicit feedback.

The debacle is more about how many times is it reasonable to ask, and (my personal favourite) it is reasonable to frame the feedback as a negotiation rather than a request.

 

[LeoBartlet]

it's splitting hairs hour.



"will work with vr" is not what a phrase like "built from the ground up for vr" conveys.



frontier rarely makes promises, but all dlc of a vr compatible title being vr compatible is what you would expect unless there's a strong reason not to. actually, even though lack of commitment had been apparent for years and the future of vr was uncertain, the news of odyssey just simply dropping support were totally unexpected, and created a reaction strong enough for frontier to activate damage control.

Well it was built from the ground up for VR but no one ever said the extension would be.

 

[VR Golgot]

For entertainment purposes, sure. And as you mention, some of the fundamental concepts are blindingly obvious. Problem is, some people still approach this as a negotiation.

It's possible that FDev are genuinely torn on what to do with the VR crowd. They make up a surprisingly large slice of the veteran crowd seemingly (30%+ of reddit regulars for example).

The fact that they shifted to a more VR-supportive stance possibly reflects that. (Although equally they could have been planning it anyway, and were just riding a drama storm for some free PR. We'll never know )

It's not a negotiation. But I do think FDev would like to keep the EDVR heads on side if possible.

 

[znôrt]

Well it was built from the ground up for VR but no one ever said the extension would be.

well, i already knew they were a bunch of liars but it apparently was still news for some!

 

[Scoob101]

well, i already knew they were a bunch of liars but it apparently was still news for some!

Capitalism is built on lies. They call it "presentation".

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

I've not read the whole thread, why change the habit of a lifetime and not spout an uninformed opinion?

Couple of things I have seen.

The gist of the OP seems to be that they're willing to let FD release something, (that I believe FD will be charging for) that will possibly make people too sick to use. That is a knot right there. What if they release it and it makes many people sick but not you, in fact, it makes so many people sick that they have to withdraw it? Are you going to be ok that you and other paid for something that is now withdrawn or do you think they should allow you to keep it whilst they make it not so sick inducing for others?

I also saw a comment that said they saw this game for sale in a 'VR only' shop. It might have been in a VR only store but the game is not only VR. Also, I purchased my copy from the PSN, which is a PS only store, should I be demanding that all releases are halted until they can release on all platforms?

 

[znôrt]

release something, (that I believe FD will be charging for) that will possibly make people too sick to use. That is a knot right there.

not "release", simply "enable", and it doesn't need to be the default. i added the possibility to make it an undocumented config option that users have to explicitly enable at their own risk, much like hud colors are used now, but the opt-in nature is already present in the op.

 

[Scoob101]

I've not read the whole thread, why change the habit of a lifetime and not spout an uninformed opinion?

Couple of things I have seen.

The gist of the OP seems to be that they're willing to let FD release something, (that I believe FD will be charging for) that will possibly make people too sick to use. That is a knot right there. What if they release it and it makes many people sick but not you, in fact, it makes so many people sick that they have to withdraw it? Are you going to be ok that you and other paid for something that is now withdrawn or do you think they should allow you to keep it whilst they make it not so sick inducing for others?

I also saw a comment that said they saw this game for sale in a 'VR only' shop. It might have been in a VR only store but the game is not only VR. Also, I purchased my copy from the PSN, which is a PS only store, should I be demanding that all releases are halted until they can release on all platforms?

When you approach a topic in the way this thread was started (why can't we have this, it must be striaghtforward, for these reasons I just made up out of thin air), I don't think that those considerations appear on the radar.

 

[Scoob101]

not "release", simply "enable", and it doesn't need to be the default. i added the possibility to make it an undocumented config option that users have to explicitly enable at their own risk, much like hud colors are used now, but the opt-in nature is already present in the op.

Were back to the negotiation.

 

[znôrt]

When you approach a topic in the way this thread was started (why can't we have this, it must be striaghtforward, for these reasons I just made up out of thin air), I don't think that those considerations appear on the radar.

yes, among educated people those considerations can appear on the radar and have actually been made. try and keep up.

 

[LeoBartlet]

well, i already knew they were a bunch of liars but it apparently was still news for some!

 

[Scoob101]

yes, among educated people

Yoo got me. I iz proper thick.

 

[VR Golgot]

The gist of the OP seems to be that they're willing to let FD release something, (that I believe FD will be charging for) that will possibly make people too sick to use. That is a knot right there. What if they release it and it makes many people sick but not you, in fact, it makes so many people sick that they have to withdraw it? Are you going to be ok that you and other paid for something that is now withdrawn or do you think they should allow you to keep it whilst they make it not so sick inducing for others?

FDev aren't marketing EDO as VR-ready, so in theory they're not actually charging for it. EDO isn't listed as VR-ready on Steam and isn't listed in the Oculus store (unlike ED/Horizons on both counts). Any VR content is currently a happy bonus

OP is suggesting a trial of this unmarketable hack during alpha. (The reason to push for an unmarketable hack is that it could be relatively resource light to implement, but still be enjoyable for some VR veterans. A win-win of sorts, for now.)

If they were to do something like this, the best option IMO would be to really firewall its accessibility. Make it a state toggle in the preference documents, so if you want to experience it you have to go into the folders, edit the file to '2D Projected Screen: Off' yourself, and essentially know exactly what you're letting yourself in for. Nobody would stumble into nausea town unawares, and the hardcore would get to experience EDO Legs using the existing native VR support. If sketchily

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I've not read the whole thread, why change the habit of a lifetime and not spout an uninformed opinion?

Couple of things I have seen.

The gist of the OP seems to be that they're willing to let FD release something, (that I believe FD will be charging for) that will possibly make people too sick to use. That is a knot right there. What if they release it and it makes many people sick but not you, in fact, it makes so many people sick that they have to withdraw it? Are you going to be ok that you and other paid for something that is now withdrawn or do you think they should allow you to keep it whilst they make it not so sick inducing for others?

I also saw a comment that said they saw this game for sale in a 'VR only' shop. It might have been in a VR only store but the game is not only VR. Also, I purchased my copy from the PSN, which is a PS only store, should I be demanding that all releases are halted until they can release on all platforms?

VR would only be an option. If it was too spicy for a player and made them feel nauseous then no one is forcing them to play in VR.

Maybe games with flashing.lights should also be pulled from sale as some people get photosensitive epilepsy.
Personally I prefer a warning however as well as options to turn off features if possible but that is just me.
I get that some people do not care if VR is supported or not but there are some pretty thin arguments being made about why it is unreasonable for VR users to voice their dissapointment.

PS IF ED:O was not going to be sold on the PS store I absolutely expect a lot of players would complain.... And I would have sympathy with them.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

PS IF ED:O was not going to be sold on the PS store I absolutely expect a lot of players would complain.... And I would have sympathy with them.

My understanding is that it will at least be available on PS some time after PC release and worst case, not at all. By this reasoning, I could make a post demanding that all releases are halted until such a time that it is 'ready' for the PS. Whilst you might sympathise with that plight, would you be happy that your access to EDO would be delayed to make me happy?

This is obviously all an aside.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Where has FD ever stated ED:O is not coming to console? They stated the opposite It IS.coming just a few months after PC. IF FD announced today total VR support was coming to ED:O but would be a few.months after release I would be dancing a jig!
I certainly don't expect them to delay for VR... But a firm commitment to full VR post launch would be great.

It's an interesting comparison tho. Imagine the ....storm if ED:O decided to go Xbox and PC only! Tho that isn't really a fair comparison either.