What's the secret with all multis and shields. Out the box multis do almost no damage vs shields.I really like my FDL with all multi's for PvE - but they do tend to get a bit hungry in Med / High CZ's... although standard refills use are not too bad in mats use
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True... "Vermin of War" is tremendous fun to fly, and is complimented by a wing-mate hammering at the opposition with a nice load-out 'vetteYes I remember seeing your Brrrrr-De-Lance in person. Quite impressive
I'd very much welcome that.
This is incorrect in one small detail: it was not a massive cryout from lots of players. It was a massive cryout from a few very noisy players, who did not even bother to test. (Some were console players and thus at that time could not test, others openly stated that they would never test it, but rather complained about the proposed change anyway. )
Those people who actually tested the change found it to be very moderate, a step in the right direction but not enough. But a noisy dozen of players cried enough to convince FD to back down. I got the feeling they at that time only looked at the number of postings in the complaint threads, without crosschecking how many people it actually were...
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Engineering: All of my FDL multis are overcharged and use experimentals, including Corrosive and Incendiary (for shields) as well as auto-load to present quite a lot of damage fairly continuously. It isn't as efficient as mixed laser / multi or Frags in taking down big shields quickly, but does work pretty well.
Link to build: https://s.orbis.zone/d2zz
ETA: The docking computer is a remnant from visiting the engineers and is replaced with interdictor in the active build.
Isn't that pretty much what happened when the drag experimental was going to be changed also?
Ah, convergent evolution. I have an FdL like that. Flying it always gives me mixed feelings: it's a great fighter-ace noisy brrrr combat thing, but it's absolutely nothing resembling space flight.
Incendiary? Does the DoT stack?
I don't know what DoT is to answer honestly.
Shields apparently fall quicker if they are getting hot... The Corrosive experimental 'softens' the hull but only a single gun with it as it apparently doesn't stack. I believe (but am happy to be proven wrong) the Incendiary is effective with stacking.
DoT is damage over time which I just assume is a thing with incendiary.
The Incendiary ammo experimental simply changes the multicannon damage from kinetic to thermal, so they’re more effective against shields and less so against hull generally speaking. I think
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so the answer is yes.Yes, nail thoroughly hit on headThe Incendiary ammo experimental simply changes the multicannon damage from kinetic to thermal, so they’re more effective against shields and less so against hull generally speaking. I think
There are different ways to do it. Each DoT adds damage to a stack to be resolved over time. Each shot could add its own damage and to the stack and the damage would mount up for a period. Increasing RoF would improve this effect. As would buffs / debuffs.Thanks
Or you just have the time of the DoT refreshed every application - damage would not increase so much and be more consistent.
No worries dude, no offence taken.
I have tried the Focused mod but it isn't really much benefit to this build as it adds heat rather than reducing like Efficient does and makes running 4 of them at once quite toasty and very power hungry.
Also I don't really get much benefit from the added range as I like to be quite up close & personal with my targets, a habit which I really had to unlearn when I started playing with AX combat
No worries dude, no offence taken.
I have tried the Focused mod but it isn't really much benefit to this build as it adds heat rather than reducing like Efficient does and makes running 4 of them at once quite toasty and very power hungry.
Also I don't really get much benefit from the added range as I like to be quite up close & personal with my targets, a habit which I really had to unlearn when I started playing with AX combat
Yeah I have the same feeling for beams. A lot of wonderful options, and 'experts' say something else, but in the end nothing seems to beat the ability to just non-stop fire. So it feels like efficient is best.
I've thought about going weapon-focused to get more ToT but that's for another convo I think
There are no damage over time weapon effects in Elite Dangerous other than the corrosion applied by Thargoids, their artifacts, and enzyme missiles (a human tech broker unlock). Heat could be argued to count, but any damage of time in this case is simply an effect of protracted temperature excursions.
The problem with diminishing return systems is that they create as many problems as they solve, and do nothing to address the lack of ship-power economy limitations. I don't think there's any better way than building a relationship between power costs and MJ gains. There's just no con in sight for it.
So incendiary just changes kinetic to thermal?
Thank you for chipping in with some real knowledge - learning new things is always good!
I guess the reason the MCs go for dual purpose usage is that corrosion offsets the thermal disadvantage vs hull. Or maybe they retain some of their kinetic potential.
Thermal weapons like pulse and burst and beam don't have their equal counterpart in making a weapon equally or nearly eaqually good in attacking shields and hull?
It changes an MC from 100% kinetic to 10% kinetic and 90% thermic, yes.
Weapon Damage Partition Analysis | Canonn Research Group
1. Executive Summary The partition of the different types of damage (i.e. thermal, kinetic, absolute) has been determined for Railguns, Incendiary Multi-Cannons, High Yield Shell Cannons, Overload Munitions Seeker Missiles, Inertial Impact Burst Lasers, and Plasma Accelerators. The results are...
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The corrosive effect offsets much of the disadvantage of low APV weapons and significantly increases all damage taken while under it's effect, from any source.
Inertial impact is the only way to get non-thermic damage out of a laser and that has huge trade offs.
However, fact of the matter is that even pure thermic damage from Engineered weapons is more than sufficient to overcome NPC hulls, especially if the corrosive effect is in play.