Also Gamestar (SC shills) reported on the Austin PTO situation and apparently the faithful didn't like how they reported it.
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Well of course they should use the own Paid Time Off to work on SC, otherwise the company might miss their deadlines. Oh wait...
Let's add removed tutorial, removed Delamar and Levski, lowered NPC count, lowered player cap. No one can deny it's never been done before: the mess is developed backwards!
Lets see when FDEV launch EDO, big battles is on the wall, that would require a high NPC count, if they can do it CIG can do it too, or so I heard.
So SC raised $50M in around the last 9 months, if I read correctly. That seemed to me a massive figure, but then this post from OA about EvE made me think:Comments golden
Star Citizen shoots through $350m raised mark
Controversial PC space game Star Citizen has shot through the $350m raised mark.www.eurogamer.net
BLOBBERS ASSOMBLE!
And of course, /r/games has picked up on it
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/m4ysys/lifetime_revenue_of_star_citizen_squadron_42/
So EvE made $28M in 6 months, which would extrapolate to $56M/year - not that far behind SC's rate. But they have a finished game, and basically just need to add story elements to keep people playing.
Whereas SC are adding story elements as well as trying to fix the basics of the game, work on SQ42, add star systems / ships / etc etc
All of a sudden that $350M doesn't seem enough ...
That's the point where I slightly diverge from ECity's opinion: SC - as the full picture envisioned by CIG - is not impossible (expurged of fantasies like subatomical physicallization of hundreds of players and 9x more NPCs, of contradictory design decisions, and other loony things from dreams.txt) per se. It's impossible for CIG. You can have the best cooks, the best ingredients, the best cooking pots, if the recipe is disastrous and the chef is incompetent and has bad taste you'll hardly have better than a turd pie.
Narrator: It isn't.
I mean, its clear enough. They still have years ahead of them before there is a releasable SC and the true state of SQ42 at this time is an unknown quantity but we can speculate there is still a lot of work to do on that based on stuff that still needs doing for SC that will be needed for SQ42.
But thank the gods they have push/pull trolleys!
FDev has not yet given context to the "big battles" comment. It may just be an on foot CQC type mode, possibly separate from the game (we can only speculate).
We agree. The game Chris describes cannot be made.
Every Star Citizen Controversy So Far
As Star Citizen crosses the $350 million fundraising mark, we look back on the project's various controversies over the years.
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sure, it could be minimalistic big battles with 5 NPC's
Clearly a hit piece. I shall scour the article looking for the tiniest error and then use that to justify dismissing the whole article.Every Star Citizen Controversy So Far
As Star Citizen crosses the $350 million fundraising mark, we look back on the project's various controversies over the years.
I shall also be cancelling my subscription to whatever site this is and will pledge more to show them how wrong they are!
One thing that recent topics have made me think is that CIG truly think that the time and money available to them are in effect unlimited. It can definitely seem to be the case with unabated funding and the rallying cries of faithful backers telling CIG they can take as long as they need.
When they recently talked about physicalized materials i was, yet again, gobsmacked by it. I thought no way. This is going to take insane efforts for mimimal gameplay experience improvements, add yet more vectors for bugs, and more performance overhead.
Its crazy they are even contemplating doing this, especially retrofitting it to a game engine they still have many things to add to and issues to resolve, not to mention all the assets that will need to be refactored.
What conclusions can be drawn?
1) They really think they can do it and it will be worth it. That is, they think they have as much time and money as they need. Backers will keep funding going for many years more.
2) Scam. They are just looking for excuses to kick the can further down the road. Another thing for the faithful to cry never been done before while senior management continue to get paid fat salaries for years to come and poor developers are tasked with trying to make it work. Let me be clear here, a scam doesnt mean that things are not being worked on. It can mean knowingly selling something you cant deliver on. The rank and file are working hard on their tasks. Cf: Theranos.
3) They are simply bat-poopoo insane.
When they recently talked about physicalized materials i was, yet again, gobsmacked by it. I thought no way. This is going to take insane efforts for mimimal gameplay experience improvements, add yet more vectors for bugs, and more performance overhead.
Its crazy they are even contemplating doing this, especially retrofitting it to a game engine they still have many things to add to and issues to resolve, not to mention all the assets that will need to be refactored.
What conclusions can be drawn?
1) They really think they can do it and it will be worth it. That is, they think they have as much time and money as they need. Backers will keep funding going for many years more.
2) Scam. They are just looking for excuses to kick the can further down the road. Another thing for the faithful to cry never been done before while senior management continue to get paid fat salaries for years to come and poor developers are tasked with trying to make it work. Let me be clear here, a scam doesnt mean that things are not being worked on. It can mean knowingly selling something you cant deliver on. The rank and file are working hard on their tasks. Cf: Theranos.
3) They are simply bat-poopoo insane.
Well a junkie will also tell you drugs are good for you!
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Well, I think it is rather some backers the ones who mostly think that way. As for CIG, according to their own financials and thanks to the Calders investments even in the extreme case where all funding stopped today, they should have enough to operate for over a year at least. So asuming funding continues at similar levels, there is still lots of hilarity to be had. In short I do not think money is a problem here, unless the Calders have an issue with their returns or CIG have significantly fudged their reports.
Can I throw a fourth in and that is that they know that funding will only continue if they keep adding new carrots to the stick and in CR's mind the next tech solution he has been sold internally will fix it all, so its just a case of keeping the funding going till then. The longer the dream continues the more challenge it is to find a new nuance to embellish the "dream". If I remember back to the addition of stretch goals the same mentality drove most of the stretch goals, where for most of the additions the cost of fulfilling the technical debt it created was clearly much greater than the additional funds it generated.
Limiting the content to a single system, adding and removing planets whilst talking about developing pipelines, laced with semi technical buzz words has been extremely clever. It's created enough hints towards the dream that suggests enough of the gameplay that its easy to imagine what it would be like when the imaginary switch is flicked when the pipelines are complete.
I remember playing Elite in the eighties, I was playing a game with wire frame graphics, but in my head it was a solid space ship. One day I would get out of my ship and walk on one of those wire frame discs. CR has done a magnificent job of selling that experience that I imagined, by putting enough of the hints of what that game could be for me to see the dream. Whilst there are enough buzzwords and narrative so that I feel that we are getting close to the dream being reality. Personally I see the warts and red flashing lights, but I can understand why others they, because its been a masterful sell.
Chris Roberts is the Elon Musk of Peter Molyneuxs.