Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

You're asserting you're correct about a lawsuit we don't know the outcome of. And what happened afterwards indicates CIGs deep incompetence is what saved them.

The outcomes of the lawsuit were: some claims were dismissed, some claims upheld, a private settlement was reached. The lawsuit is done and dusted. Those are the outcomes. You're conflating the lawsuit with the settlement. They're not the same thing.

Besides that, you're still missing the point of why this was raised, which was sovapid (quite amusingly) pointing out how "giddy" people were about the lawsuit. Nothing at all to do with not knowing the terms of the settlement.
 
Besides that, you're still missing the point of why this was raised, which was sovapid (quite amusingly) pointing out how "giddy" people were about the lawsuit. Nothing at all to do with not knowing the terms of the settlement.
And it turns out we were apparently correct. CIG is far away from any software releases.

CIG having to announce that the SQ42 beta wasn't coming, that work goes into 2022 and they cancelled videos of it shows "our" side was correct. Which makes your gloating hilarious.
 
Who cares if a corporate litigant threw a bunch of arguments at the wall to see what would work?

Our giddiness turns out to have been justified.
 
We don't know what the terms of the deal were. Maybe the Calders are already getting their money back by topslicing all new pledges.

Doesnt really matter as CIG/SC T&Cs last time I checked said all moeny from backers would go into producing the game, not paying off old loans....although Im sure that if CIG just said we need some new money to pay of the Calder loan then bakcers would happily give to that side project anyway.

oh come on, several, maybe you, have said you hope it fails. y'all were giddy over the lawsuit. spare me.

Hate is too strong an emotion to waste on someone you dont like.

I hope CIG is held to account for all the money, I hope they become the most open development ever and release financials to backers, I hope they stop misleading people with videos and dreams, I hope backers either get a game or get their money back, I hope CIG and certain people in CIG stop telling outright lies to get more money and promising things 'next year' that never materialise 6-9 years later, I hope they stop making more ships to sell, I hope they repay people who have died or lost the ability to play the game, I hope they stop dividing their own backers community and calling people FUDsters and passing the buck for why something hasnt happened, I hope they stop changing their T&Cs to screw the customer over. In short I hope they become honest about whats going on and stop misleading people for money. Well actually I hope someone else takes over and tells everybody where its at and then people can make their own minds up about what to do..

hat do you do with backers that enjoy the game ? It's pure love to wish them not beeing able to play what they like anymore ?

I wish nothing but the best for backers of all types, those that still love and enjoy the alpha and those that want their money back for whatever reason. I dont want to see my friends being suckered in though with false promises and promo videos that for some reason dont include the words 'Not game footage'.
 
Also, I believe I was the only person here who said most of Crytek's claims in that lawsuit were complete rubbish. I argued with many on this thread, with sound reasoning. The outcome turned out to be exactly as I predicted, much to the disappointment of many here.

Nah I think you're putting yourself on a pedestal after the event there. There was plenty of rubbishing of aspects of Crytek's claims as I recall. The 'exclusively' bit in particular got a savaging on the whole. (As much as many did see it as a 'gotcha' as well, sure).

There was lots of giddiness about the whole event, absolutely. But I think anyone painting that as all 'this will bring down CIG' frenzy (as vapid is) is painting with a massively broad brush.

I can't speak to the source of others' giddiness, but mine stemmed from: The possibility of getting more info from inside the machine via discovery and exchanges, and the possibility of CIG getting bit on the bum for pulling a fast one (seemingly skipping out on a contract when they thought a business partner was out for the count).

I'd totally I agree that I didn't get what I wanted on the whole on that front ;). Just some dribs and drabs in terms of CIG owning up to still using Cryengine builds essentially, and fun stuff like Ortwin's grandstanding seemingly being used against him. (Sorry, only 500k for the deposit, because you said at length that Crytek are pitifully broke ;)).

But it was another fun bit of drama all told :)

But the outcomes of the lawsuit are well known. We all read the judge's rulings to dismiss Crytek's main claims and uphold others. And considering how much I was attacked at the time for agreeing with CIG, I have no issue pointing out that those rulings were exactly as I predicted.

Nah, you can say the outcomes of the lawsuit are known, but they're definitely still not. It was a private settlement, and prior to that there were still aspects heading to court, as you note. (The most fun ones being: Could Crytek's claim that their license still held, despite the Amazon license being in place, convince a jury and judge. And could they stand up their, admittedly sketchy, stance of SQ42 needing to be launched via the Star Citizen launcher. IE not as a stand-alone title.)

We know that Crytek's odds of landing a big hit were poor. Their contract was for a one-off payment with no royalties attached. They were looking at breach of contract and some reputational loss due to missing splash screens at best.

But did that constitute enough of an impediment to any SQ42 launch that they were paid to go away? It's still possible. Just as it's possible that CIG turned the screw on the weaknesses of the case, and Crytek cut their losses and bowed out.

Stating that these outcomes are known either way is still silly though ;)
 
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However, here the story takes a twist. I made two replies to his challenge, and both dissappeared into the ether. I thought the first one was just a mistake. I'd somehow hit cancel instead of post.

But then it happened again.

I checked my YouTube comment history, nothing appeared.

However, i know i'm not banned from the channel, because i can post in reply to other people.

Since he was the parent poster to the comment chain, i couldn't reply to the chain as a whole. However, i discovered i could reply to someone else and it would accept it.
You probably posted a link. From what i know YT automatically removes comments with links pointing to other sites (not itself), it's not related to your chain of comments or CiG or any conspiracy...
 
Crytek pulled the trigger thinking SQ42 release was imminent or would happen by the time the case hit discovery. Based on reasonable game development timelines and CIG's public statements that was reasonable. They were wrong. I think had SC/SQ42 been released then we would have seen a different result. The fact that CIG actually bought a license as part of the settlement is an indication that there were some issues, but to get anywhere you need a released product, so there is fact not speculation.
 
Quoted for truth.
I hope a working game comes out of this mess, but Chris Roberts & his cronies to lose all their ill-gotten gains in the process.
Neither seem very likely in the foreseeable future. 🤷‍♂️
Well if working game comes eventually out are CR's gains ill-gotten afterall?
 
Well if working game comes eventually out are CR's gains ill-gotten afterall?
Yes they are.
No matter the outcome, all those shell companies, nepotism and Hollywood accounting combined with constant lying and predatory marketing make his & his cronies gains ill-gotten.
The game could of been realeased years ago and maybe even been a good one, but releasing a game is not what Chris Roberts wants to do.
 
Crytek pulled the trigger thinking SQ42 release was imminent or would happen by the time the case hit discovery. Based on reasonable game development timelines and CIG's public statements that was reasonable. They were wrong. I think had SC/SQ42 been released then we would have seen a different result. The fact that CIG actually bought a license as part of the settlement is an indication that there were some issues, but to get anywhere you need a released product, so there is fact not speculation.
Hmm... It's as if, along with "h4t0rz" want the dream dead, even CIG doesn't want it to release ;)

Because, let's be honest: haters can wish SC harm with their nighttime prayers all they want they barely do any damage (I'd say it may even be the opposite as for any critic, a faithful breaks his piggybank to support the project), CIG is better than anybody else at hurting their own project.
 
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Imagine hating a game!

Well, except for Dark Souls. I believe its possible to both love and hate that game.

You're sounding like one of the faithful here sovapid and i thought from your time on this thread you would understand this. Its a false accusation. People don't hate the game (well, maybe some wierdos do).

The game itself, in theory, is a nice idea. It also provides plenty of laughs.

The people running the show, ah, well, some of us here have a dislike of the things they have done. How they have lied to and misled backers over the years. Their marketing practices such as FOMO. But you know all this. You've read the posts.

I'll allow a hate excemption for Jared though. His grinning mug and boot licking of Chris is insufferable.
Tabout Toiling Napkin? He's lying until the bars are bending. Although I heard once "Love the sinner, hate the sin." I just can't bring myself to love Tingle Witling.
Then again, they all lie like it's no tomorrow. The whole company is full of lye.
 
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