General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Patrick_68000]

It's about time this was announced.

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I'm not British so it's not my problem.

But I want to say just to comment, that the caregivers who do not want the vaccination, should if they can, resign from their posts.

In order to teach hospital managers to be well educated and to remain polite.

 

[Stigbob]

Playing, Devil's Advocate here. Before someone get their tar brush out.
1st: If said NHS staff are so well informed. Why are some refusing the jab?

Same as the rest of the population some of them can be a bit thick or get all their news via social media.

2nd: NHS staff have been on the front line and I know in the early days, due to a lack of PPE (which now apparently, didn't happen), some became infected and some died: But for months before being vaccinated, 100,000s of them, managed to control the spread of infections, day in and day out. Having the vaccination, should not mean a change, of behaviour or a reduction of caution, within the NHS system. So why after a vaccine has become available, does it become a sackable offence, not to have it? None of the vaccines, at this time, offer 100% immunity, or 100% avoidance of passing the virus to others. Not all NHS staff, have been offered the vaccine, at this time. There are still staff, like porters, that are waiting for their age bracket, to be called forward, for the jab. So, the magic vaccine, is not the quick fix, or the impregnable shield, it is often sold, to be.

If you spend time around people you know full well are dying from covid you really really don't want to catch it yourself or take it home to risk killing your family. So getting the jab isnt something you need to sell to the vast majority of people. We all know it's not 100% effective no vaccine ever is, that's why vaccinating as many people as possible is important to reduce the pool of infection. However it's far far more effective than not getting the jab and even if you do get infected when vaccinated you are very very unlikely to develop serious symptoms.

Make it compulsory so I don't have to work alongside some idiot who poses a direct risk to every patient, an infection risk to every hospital, an infection risk to everyone they ever meet, me and my family.

3rd: Disciplinary proceedings: It would be interesting to see the first time that happens. A polite, educated black female doctor, with the full backing of her union, human rights and a few do gooders. It could be interesting. A spotty snot, who just empties the bins, would just get a text, telling him, not to come back.

There's already a legal precedent for sackings. Mask refusers have already been sacked for refusing to wear PPE and had their appeals thrown out at tribunals, this is the same. Simply adding it as a requirement on the application form will prevent all that though. Most NHS personnel I know would support it, don't know about the unions however they'd be very hard pushed to try to compel staff to expose themselves to an unnecessary infection risk.

Also employing unvaccinated staff would open them up to legal liability for injury or death caused by infections.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Indeed. I’m still not in favour of compulsory vaccinations for the general population no matter how pro-vaccine I am (I think it should be more carrot than stick), but for NHS staff and care home workers it absolutely should be imho.

They should all resign from their posts and leave the sick alone with the managers.

In France there are already healthcare workers who have resigned and changed jobs (covid or not covid) because they have too much work in the hospital.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

I think to get the antivaxxers interested, all that needs doing
1) is stop offering it.
- so they have nothing to protest.

2) Require it everywhere in job specifications, entry requirements, Banking, Real Estate transfers etc
- so they need to get it.

3) wait a month,
-till they start to complain it's not available

4) Export their doses at cost plus a bit, to foreign nations, and show them foreigners gleefully using their doses up, announce the shortage locally, explain the costs.

5) Reintroduce it with Fanfare
- at 5 times the price.

6) Escalate the price every fortnight,
. Ship out the unused doses with full coverage.

7) Of course, higher medical costs for unvaccinated people also means higher tax brackets for them and their families.


And... Profit from the Stupid Tax they will be paying.
We'll maybe just amend it into the existing Laws in due course.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

They should all resign from their posts and leave the sick alone with the managers.

In France there are already healthcare workers who have resigned and changed jobs (covid or not covid) because they have too much work in the hospital.

Are we still pretending you are not an antivaxxer?

You need to keep up the denial frequency so we know the game.

 

[Patrick_68000]

a lot of noise to me.

Making noise helps calm the fanatics of the vacccination.

For my part, I am 100% against forcing people to be vaccinated.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Making noise helps calm the fanatics of the vacccination.

For my part, I am 100% against forcing people to be vaccinated.

No denial yet...
Checks the watch...

 

[Patrick_68000]

Funny thing: In some areas of the U.K. there are still up to 20% of kids, refusing tests (as is their right apparently), but still going to school.

Refuse the vaccine I can understand, but refusing the tests is not reasonable.

 

[Stigbob]

Refuse the vaccine I can understand, but refusing the tests is not reasonable.

Would you force them to be tested ?.

 

[Patrick_68000]

disciplinary proceedings

But it is not the parliament that votes for the vaccine obligation ?

 

[Patrick_68000]

I think to get the antivaxxers interested, all that needs doing
1) is stop offering it.
- so they have nothing to protest.

2) Require it everywhere in job specifications, entry requirements, Banking, Real Estate transfers etc
- so they need to get it.

3) wait a month,
-till they start to complain it's not available

4) Export their doses at cost plus a bit, to foreign nations, and show them foreigners gleefully using their doses up, announce the shortage locally, explain the costs.

5) Reintroduce it with Fanfare
- at 5 times the price.

6) Escalate the price every fortnight,
. Ship out the unused doses with full coverage.

7) Of course, higher medical costs for unvaccinated people also means higher tax brackets for them and their families.


And... Profit from the Stupid Tax they will be paying.
We'll maybe just amend it into the existing Laws in due course.

Dangerous speech here.

 

[lysan]

I'm far more concerned about saving lives than mollycoddling the feelings of conspiracy theorists and scammers. It'll go the same way as mask refusal the naysayers will just be another category of comedy meltdown following denied service video's doing the rounds on social media.

Sure that’s why we need to end this, let’s do it by force, I mean it’s only for our protection, drag them out force vaccinate everyone, if they don’t do it willingly, use the bertons! I’m all for it, let’s do this! Oh maybe there will be a small pushback then we use the military that’s what they are there for right?

 

[Patrick_68000]

Are we still pretending you are not an antivaxxer?

You need to keep up the denial frequency so we know the game.

I assure you I am not an antivaxxer.

I wonder if it is the UK government / parliament that decrees the compulsory vaccination or not.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Dangerous speech here.

I'm one of the vaccinated now. You know how it is.
Oh.. wait...

 

[Patrick_68000]

No denial yet...
Checks the watch...

Denial of what ?

 

[lysan]

Dangerous speech here.

No no you got that wrong ordnung muss sein!

 

[Patrick_68000]

Would you force them to be tested ?.

Of course not.

Really a funny question here.

But a test is not an injection of something in the blood.

 

[ianw]

They should all resign from their posts and leave the sick alone with the managers.

In France there are already healthcare workers who have resigned and changed jobs (covid or not covid) because they have too much work in the hospital.

"All for none, and none for all!"

As some famous imaginary Frenchmen didn't say..

 

[Arry]

There's already a legal precedent for sackings. Mask refusers have already been sacked for refusing to wear PPE and had their appeals thrown out at tribunals, this is the same. Simply adding it as a requirement on the application form will prevent all that though. Most NHS personnel I know would support it, don't know about the unions however they'd be very hard pushed to try to compel staff to expose themselves to an unnecessary infection risk.

Also employing unvaccinated staff would open them up to legal liability for injury or death caused by infections.

Not the same: PPE, is already enshrined in law. H.S.A laws, required job based PPE must be trained and explained at induction and training to be up-dated, as required. Any Job. Don't wear designated PPE, equals, gross misconduct. If you have been signed off as trained in the use of PPE, you have no defence, against dismissal.

Someone standing at the clocking in machine, asking if you have had a needle stuck in you, and you then refusing to roll your sleeve up, is a long court case. Which can go, either way.

It will probably, be a part of new employment contracts. Again: Those that genuinely can't have the jab, will become, collateral damage.

 

[lysan]

Would you force them to be tested ?.

Yes of course, we need to broadcast the punishment on tv, you know there is nothing like a good public punishment at the square! It will teach these ignorant peasants a lesson.