General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[Stigbob]

I believe so as we have an arena dedicated to it but i chose the pharmacy route, as less ppl and they know me. If i get too anxious, usually around too many ppl, then i tend to panic and forget things, like important questions, which i did not today.
I imagine there will be some who will refuse so we'll have to cross that bridge at some point but i expect most will do the right thing by others, at least in my part of town.
Students are the big unknown on the edge of where i live...how that goes will be crucial i think.

It's good that there are alternate approaches. My local GP does them here, only a few cars allowed in at a time early arrivals wait on the road in their cars so it's nice and unhurried with only a handful of people inside. I volunteer for the car parking. I got my jabs at work before the GP's got involved.

I imagine there will be some who will refuse so we'll have to cross that bridge at some point but i expect most will do the right thing by others, at least in my part of town.
Students are the big unknown on the edge of where i live...how that goes will be crucial i think.

Anti-vax sentiments are on the wane, the more people get the jab the less credible it all seems. The original anti-vaxxer conspiracy was that it killed you immediately on injection, they had to extend their timeline to it kills you after two years when reality proved them wrong. They'll push it down the road again in two years and probably end up claiming it'll make your grandchildren satanists or something.

Oversea's students are showing greater interest in the UK specifically because of the vaccination levels apparently. If that's what attracts them I can't see them being anti-vax themselves.

 

[Arry]

They are children, I understand that they can be embarrassed.

Concerning the PCR tests for the adults it is less understandable if people are too delicate.

I remember my visit to an ENT doctor for a routine check-up.

It introduces a 30 cm hose with miniature camera into my nostrils, goes through the nasal cavity and goes down to the level of hypopharynx, I suppose ...

A giant PCR test

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The big cotton bud tickles, that is it. 3 seconds, that is a bit uncomfortable, it might make you sneeze. I have had 3 tests so far. Not what anyone could regard as suffering. Far better than someone you know, or have daily contact with, ending up, isolated and drowning, while their body functions shut down.

Personally: I feel that said mums, should be made to test their brats themselves, under medial supervision, of course.

 

[Stigbob]

Compulsory medication, is only allowed, for those, under some sections of the Mental Heath Act.

Yep.
"It changes your DNA and makes you a satanist"
"It has mind control microchips in it"
"It kills you instantly"
"It's a bioweapon made by the NWO
"It has tracking RFID chips in it"
"there will be civil war if you give me it"
"it turns the frogs gay"

People who can't have the jab, for genuine medical reasons. Will be affected, like it or not. Why would an employer choose someone not vaccinated, over someone vaccinated; when offered the choice? Over the decades, this has happened with, gender, race, age, criminal convictions and many other bigoted reasons, for choosing one person, over another.

If they are anti-vax refuse them the job obviously. If they can't be vaccinated then take them on, that's why we push for as many people to be vaccinated as possible to reduce or even eliminate the potential for infection in those people. It's done specifically to protect them.

 

[Arry]

They are just anti vaccine rather than anti-vaxxers.

Help help I'm being oppressed........with healthcare.

I have lived under section 60 of the mental heath act and had a number of burly men in white coats, hold me down, while another sticks a needle in me. Trust me, the general public, would not find this acceptable. No matter how you try to sell it.

 

[Stigbob]

I have lived under section 60 of the mental heath act and had a number of burly men in white coats, hold me down, while another sticks a needle in me. Trust me, the general public, would not find this acceptable. No matter how you try to sell it.

An asymptomatic covid-19 carrier who genuinely believes the virus is a hoax, masks are an SJW plot and the vaccine is the mark of the devil using public transport at rush hour twice a day is a genuine public health risk with potential to cause a hell of a lot of casualties. The general public would probably prefer he was vaccinated.

 

[Arry]

Lots of unpaid volunteers in the vaccination centres.

There is something that is getting right up my nose. This is being run entirely by the NHS, but 'others' are constantly claiming the credit for it. They keep demanding that everyone, should focus on the great job they have done, with the vaccine roll-out. As you have said: It is down to the people, volunteers and professionals, that have made this happen and no one else, deserves the credit.

 

[Arry]

Yep.
"It changes your DNA and makes you a satanist"
"It has mind control microchips in it"
"It kills you instantly"
"It's a bioweapon made by the NWO
"It has tracking RFID chips in it"
"there will be civil war if you give me it"
"it turns the frogs gay"



If they are anti-vax refuse them the job obviously. If they can't be vaccinated then take them on, that's why we push for as many people to be vaccinated as possible to reduce or even eliminate the potential for infection in those people. It's done specifically to protect them.

Nope. You are doing it again. Dismissing and fixating.

Dismissing: People are prejudice and often act accordingly. Example: You are prejudice against anyone who offers barriers against the vaccine.

Looking back over these threads, your 'they are all psycho anti-vaxers' statements. Have offered more reasons (real or otherwise) for avoiding the vaccines, that any of the anti-vaxers here. The above list, is another prime example of this.

Labelling those that maybe afraid, or are concerned or have valid questions, the same as the genuine nutters or those who promote such tripe. Is only going to make them all, put up barriers against you and anything valid you have to say.

Yes there are many, many stupid people, who are easy to mislead, about the virus and vaccines; but you need to take advantage of said stupidity, with something like Robin suggested earlier. Make them what it, because they have been told, they can't have etc.etc.

 

[Stigbob]

Nope. You are doing it again. Dismissing and fixating.

Dismissing: People are prejudice and often act accordingly. Example: You are prejudice against anyone who offers barriers against the vaccine.

Looking back over these threads, your 'they are all psycho anti-vaxers' statements. Have offered more reasons (real or otherwise) for avoiding the vaccines, that any of the anti-vaxers here. The above list, is another prime example of this.

Labelling those that maybe afraid, or are concerned or have valid questions, the same as the genuine nutters or those who promote such tripe. Is only going to make them all, put up barriers against you and anything valid you have to say.

Yes there are many, many stupid people, who are easy to mislead, about the virus and vaccines; but you need to take advantage of said stupidity, with something like Robin suggested earlier. Make them what it, because they have been told, they can't have etc.etc.

I differentiate between the two. Refusing a vaccine to spite some random guy on the internet isn't a very sensible course of action.

 

[Arry]

I differentiate between the two. Refusing a vaccine to spite some random guy on the internet isn't a very sensible course of action.

If you mean that 'you are said random guy', no I agree, refusing it because anything you have said. Is stupid.
However: You are missing my point. OK. Much of what you say, is worth reading and it would be a sad thing, that many are ignoring the good stuff, because they feel, that you are tarring them with the anti-vaccine psycho brush. Simply, because that have talked about have doubts.

 

[Stigbob]

If you mean that 'you are said random guy', no I agree, refusing it because anything you have said. Is stupid.
However: You are missing my point. OK. Much of what you say, is worth reading and it would be a sad thing, that many are ignoring the good stuff, because they feel, that you are tarring them with the anti-vaccine psycho brush. Simply, because that have talked about have doubts.

Hard-line anti-vaxxers pretend not to be hard-line as they've found it repels people, so they've toned it down deliberately to recruit people who are on the fence. As I follow conspiracy debunking podcasts for fun I know that and have a habit of making anti-vax gags as I find laughing in the face of danger or adversity works for me.

I don't think you are hard-line, for what it's worth.

 

[Arry]

Hard-line anti-vaxxers pretend not to be hard-line as they've found it repels people, so they've toned it down deliberately to recruit people who are on the fence. As I follow conspiracy debunking podcasts for fun I know that and have a habit of making anti-vax gags as I find laughing in the face of danger or adversity works for me.

I don't think you are hard-line, for what it's worth.

But you think, that I am anti-vaccine? Simply because, I will ask questions.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

@Stigbob
We have our GP surgeries reserved for the most vulnerable and the system we have here seems to be working well but i can't give any details beyond that we're vaxxing 35 and above currently. Seems to be a steady uptake though.

As for the anti-vax stuff, i haven't paid it much attention as i'm no fan of social media, even before covoid. It always seemed like it was heading in a bad way and covoid has shown how it can be abused.i was a sound engineer/promoter for years and i'd get sent some pretty extreme views from time to time. Some so bad they never got invited back and this was years ago so that kinda thing has been around for a while.

I've taken most of the advice from those i trust, long serving members of the medical profession being the primary. Even so, i will discount those with a political agenda.
Seemed the most logical solution at the time.

As for the students, they are unleashed tomorrow over here with the outdoor pubs opening, hopefully they will be responsible.

 

[Arry]

@Stigbob
We have our GP surgeries reserved for the most vulnerable and the system we have here seems to be working well but i can't give any details beyond that we're vaxxing 35 and above currently. Seems to be a steady uptake though.

As for the anti-vax stuff, i haven't paid it much attention as i'm no fan of social media, even before covoid. It always seemed like it was heading in a bad way and covoid has shown how it can be abused.i was a sound engineer/promoter for years and i'd get sent some pretty extreme views from time to time. Some so bad they never got invited back and this was years ago so that kinda thing has been around for a while.

I've taken most of the advice from those i trust, long serving members of the medical profession being the primary. Even so, i will discount those with a political agenda.
Seemed the most logical solution at the time.

As for the students, they are unleashed tomorrow over here with the outdoor pubs opening, hopefully they will be responsible.

I have to say, that I am very dismissive, of anything I feel is misleading, or is being put out there, by people I have previously dismissed; as not worth my time, reading or listening too.

Example: The Daily Mail, but at the same time, the Daily Mirror. . Both said news papers, will go to the extreme and only offer, 'their point of view', which has been embellished, to suit their own agendas. There are many other media outlets, personalities ,that I will treat the same. Such as anything these days, related to the Covid press briefings, or those that make them. I do not waste my time, with that, which I would consider, misinformation. I am not a social media fan and again, will dismiss, most of this, as tripe. I have also found, that those who do take notice of such rubbish, can sometimes, become fixated (be it for, or against the subject matter) can let it creep into and affect they daily lives. Fixation, is a manic mindset and is not good for anyone, who wishes to evaluate things, with a clear head.

 

[Zetta]

I have to say, that I am very dismissive, of anything I feel is misleading, or is being put out there, by people I have previously dismissed; as not worth my time, reading or listening too.

Example: The Daily Mail, but at the same time, the Daily Mirror. . Both said news papers, will go to the extreme and only offer, 'their point of view', which has been embellished, to suit their own agendas. There are many other media outlets, personalities ,that I will treat the same. Such as anything these days, related to the Covid press briefings, or those that make them. I do not waste my time, with that, which I would consider, misinformation. I am not a social media fan and again, will dismiss, most of this, as tripe. I have also found, that those who do take notice of such rubbish, can sometimes, become fixated (be it for, or against the subject matter) can let it creep into and affect they daily lives. Fixation, is a manic mindset and is not good for anyone, who wishes to evaluate things, with a clear head.

Like fixation on commas?

 

[Stigbob]

But you think, that I am anti-vaccine? Simply because, I will ask questions.

I think you are a sceptic, which is healthy in a post facts society. Taken too far it's a problem though. You do tend to ask the same questions more than once for example the people who can't get the vaccine for genuine reasons are the reason we need high vaccine uptake, I used to post sources at you whenever you said they were being left behind demonstrating they were specifically mentioned as being exempt but gave up on that a while back as it just keeps on repeating.

I have to say, that I am very dismissive, of anything I feel is misleading, or is being put out there, by people I have previously dismissed; as not worth my time, reading or listening too.

Example: The Daily Mail, but at the same time, the Daily Mirror. . Both said news papers, will go to the extreme and only offer, 'their point of view', which has been embellished, to suit their own agendas. There are many other media outlets, personalities ,that I will treat the same. Such as anything these days, related to the Covid press briefings, or those that make them. I do not waste my time, with that, which I would consider, misinformation. I am not a social media fan and again, will dismiss, most of this, as tripe. I have also found, that those who do take notice of such rubbish, can sometimes, become fixated (be it for, or against the subject matter) can let it creep into and affect they daily lives. Fixation, is a manic mindset and is not good for anyone, who wishes to evaluate things, with a clear head.

With news I tend to read the factual bits, direct quotes, vaccinated numbers, casualty numbers, specific dates and skim read or ignore the paragraphs containing the reporters opinions and speculation completely.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

Like fixation on commas?

I do that as well...

It used to be far too many "!!!!!!!!'s back in the day so i've probably matured a little..

 

[Arry]

Like fixation on commas?

I tried writing in a Joycean style, but my English Literature teacher, didn't like it.

 

[Arry]

I think you are a sceptic, which is healthy in a post facts society. Taken too far it's a problem though. You do tend to ask the same questions more than once for example the people who can't get the vaccine for genuine reasons are the reason we need high vaccine uptake, I used to post sources at you whenever you said they were being left behind demonstrating they were specifically mentioned as being exempt but gave up on that a while back as it just keeps on repeating.



With news I tend to read the factual bits, direct quotes, vaccinated numbers, casualty numbers, specific dates and skim read or ignore the paragraphs containing the reporters opinions and speculation completely.

I don't like repeating myself, but some people chose not to listen and sometimes, will need to told, more then once.

Yes I am very sceptical. Life has taught me to be, just that. Mostly because the world, is full of people, who will lie, for all sorts of reasons. At the same time: Once I have the measure of someone, then I can relate to their perspective and take it into account, with any future interactions. Be that being polite and considering what I have to say, or dismissing them, with the contempt, they deserve.

 

[Patrick_68000]

From June 30, in France, a Health pass will be required to go to events of more than 1,000 people.

On the other hand, it will not be compulsory "to access the places of everyday life such as restaurants, theaters and cinemas.

All French people will be concerned, but also foreign tourists.

It is Parliament that will decide on its functionality, since it is a tool "which affects our fundamental freedoms" insisted the Prime Minister

For the moment, the country is already experimenting with this health pass with Corsica. This should quickly be the case for the overseas departments, then for border countries such as Germany, Spain or Belgium.

Ultimately and on a continent-wide, this health pass could be requested from all members of the European Union who wish to go from one country to another. The goal is to allow all Europeans "to certify that they have been vaccinated against Covid-19, that they have passed a negative PCR test, or negative rapid antigen, or that they are immunized after having been infected "

Long live democracy !

 

[Stigbob]

From June 30, in France, a Health pass will be required to go to events of more than 1,000 people.

On the other hand, it will not be compulsory "to access the places of everyday life such as restaurants, theaters and cinemas.

All French people will be concerned, but also foreign tourists.

It is Parliament that will decide on its functionality, since it is a tool "which affects our fundamental freedoms" insisted the Prime Minister

For the moment, the country is already experimenting with this health pass with Corsica. This should quickly be the case for the overseas departments, then for border countries such as Germany, Spain or Belgium.

Ultimately and on a continent-wide, this health pass could be requested from all members of the European Union who wish to go from one country to another. The goal is to allow all Europeans "to certify that they have been vaccinated against Covid-19, that they have passed a negative PCR test, or negative rapid antigen, or that they are immunized after having been infected "

Long live democracy !

We are using an NHS app as the planned vaccine passport aiming for rollout on the 17th may.

The NHS app is already able to display vaccine statuses, including Covid-19 jabs

Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi told BBC Breakfast that work was under way on preparing it to act as a passport

Some others also in development :

• New York has launched a digital-wallet style Covid-19 passport called the Excelsior Pass. The White House however has ruled out a compulsory federal passport.
• The International Air Transport Association (IATA) has launched its own app, the IATA Travel Pass which it trialled with Singapore Airlines
• UK-based independent healthcare app My GP launched a simple vaccine certification feature last week, in the form of a green tick for users 12 days after their second dose of the vaccine.

Spoiled for choice.

Confusion over use of NHS App as Covid passport