General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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I have never thought of myself as insane, just a little misunderstood.

I learned to think "sane" is just a label given to people by people as a kindof mental and psychological cruch . Seems it is necessary for some to be assured routinely that NOTHING about their behaviour is anyhow "unusual" . That they are ok because they act & behave like most other people would/do . That their thinking is perfectly in line with what is acceptable .
 
In France, obese people can be vaccinated from Saturday

Vaccination will be extended "from May 1" to all people over 18 years old "who are seriously overweight", ie a body mass index greater than 30.

"I invite the 2.3 million French people concerned to go to the vaccination centers this weekend" declared the President of the Republic.

“The resuscitation services will be able to be decongested once the obese people, unfortunately numerous in these services, have been sheltered,” said Agnès Maurin, the co-founder of the League Against Obesity

Yes, as everyone knows, the serious cases of Covid mainly concern very old people with commorbidities and overweight or obese people.

Vaccination is not an absolute emergency outside of these two categories.

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Yes it is well known that old people and those with underlying health conditions such as asthma, COPD, obesity etc are more vulnerable. That’s precisely why the UK has been vaccinating people from high risk to low risk or the risk they pose, from the start.

The longer you take to vaccinate the more chance that a mutation will escape. It is an emergency for all of us. We will all be old and vulnerable one day. Besides which I want life back to normal and vaccines are the only chance of that happening. All my friends and family are vaccinated now so I don’t have to worry about them dying from Covid. I’ve never worried about them dying from complications of having a vaccine.

My age group has come up and I’m getting a vaccine tomorrow. I’m expecting AZ and to be a bit ill afterwards. I’m not even worried about catching the virus but I’m worried about others catching it. Sometimes just “have to take one for the team”.
 
I learned to think "sane" is just a label given to people by people as a kindof mental and psychological cruch . Seems it is necessary for some to be assured routinely that NOTHING about their behaviour is anyhow "unusual" . That they are ok because they act & behave like most other people would/do . That their thinking is perfectly in line with what is acceptable .
Sanity and acceptable, can be a world apart. Anyone who feels the need for reassurance, has issues. If that assurance if to tell them, that they have done nothing wrong. Normally means, that have.

However: Sane or insane, is often, just a matter of opinion. Which is why, it needs 3 docs. to agree that someone, is no longer insane.
 
Looks like the rubbish needs taking out again..
A little bit of research would have told them that AZ are aware and have a booster planned for Autumn this year for the SA variant but i guess it is better to cite material over two months old without that information..
As for the yellow card system, it is for showing side effects of which many are quite mild...but again it is presented in a way to try and cause concern.
Some will see what they want to see and look no further.
Sadly, i do not think there is a cure for that.
 
The Européans deputies validate the European health certificate.

If the documents, in paper or digital version, will attest that a person has been vaccinated against the coronavirus or that they have recently received a negative test or that they have recovered from the infection, the certificate should not be used "in no case a travel document and will not be a prerequisite for the exercise of freedom of movement", say the deputies.

The EU COVID-19 travel certificate must facilitate freedom of movement without discrimination.

Parliament calls for:

✔️Universal, quick & free tests
✔️Data protection
✔️No quarantine for certificate holders

"In order to avoid any discrimination against unvaccinated people or for economic reasons, EU countries should 'guarantee universal, accessible, rapid and free tests", declared the deputies.

"The health pass will never be a right of access that differentiates the French," assured Emmanuel Macron, while the executive repeated in recent weeks that it was opposed to the creation of a vaccine passport.

Long live democracy and freedom ! 🥳(y)

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Seems more than a little overstated. There are already professions and visa's for certain destinations (even in/from France) that require certain vaccinations. Covid is no different.

Here it is a statement concerning the Covid.

In France it is not the companies that make the law, it is the parliament and the companies obey the laws.

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You realize gazillions of people take mandatory or adviced precautions/vaccinations if they go travelling abroad for holiday ? Or business, or any other matter . Applies for several diseases/Viruses, in several countries of the world .
I'm talking to you about France and the countries of the European Union with the European green certificate.

It's not me who makes the laws. 🙂

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I'm really not convinced that trying to live with the virus is a particularly good idea.
The longer it exists, the more chances it has to mutate until we hit the really bad one...which we really don't want to happen.
When he says living with the virus, it does not prevent the vaccination of the herd, barriers gestures, PCR tests and Antigen tests, of course.

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The authorities are trying to lift the age restriction on vaccines as people who want them can't get them and the anti-vaxxers in the eligible categories are slowing the system down.



62% is nowhere near enough to keep people who can't be vaccinated safe. This approach will not work.
The government does not exclude extending vaccination to other age groups but not for the moment.

However, it has just opened the vaccination to all overweight or obese people, which is a priority since these are the main vicitms of covid.

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"Live with the Virus" is what has gotten us into the global mess we are in .

I have not heard a single trained Immunologist say "Let's go for population immunity via natural infection." in these past 16 or so month . Not one . I guess it has something to do with what they learned, and keep themselves busy with professionally .
When he says living with the virus, it does not prevent the vaccination of the herd, barriers gestures, PCR tests and Antigen tests, of course.

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On the other hand, I know a person who is in mortal danger by a single Wasp . She carries a little emergency bag on herself at all times, in case she does get stung . Also undergoes "desensibilization" ( correct word?) therapy for months now, and this will go on a while . She is hesitant to get vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 for exactly that reason .

Her life must be difficult. 🙂

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Live with the virus also means the rest of us have to live with it as the nations that fail at vaccination will act as a constant source of reinfection.
And how many decades did you live with influenza going around every winter?
Were you as paranoid all those years?
Did you campaign for lockdowns, a vaccine EVERYONE must be injected with even if they don't want it?
Did you petition your government for an Influenza vaccine passport app on your phone and a piece of paper to say you'd got your annual flu jab?
Did you advocate to deny entry to shops to those who didn't have a their jab that year?

Or did you live with the possibility that the influenza virus was being spread every winter?

And don't give me any rubbish that Covid-19 is different, it's not and it's not any more deadly, we have 15 month's statistics to show it isn't.
 
And don't give me any rubbish that Covid-19 is different, it's not and it's not any more deadly, we have 15 month's statistics to show it isn't.

Seriously bro?
You tube from cleveland clinic
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdF2313ArMw

Of course, by now, we are seeing what Covid can really do.
Remember when all international trade got borked by the 'flu?
Remember when the world had to send Oxygen all over the place because of the 'flu?


If you have not gotten it clear by NOW, what will it bloody take?
 
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Because of lockdowns, social distancing, masks, disinfecting etc.

Yes- you will notice that this wiped the floor with 'flu, but ha, Covid is NOT THE FLU, a song I am heartily tired of having to sing. The similarity to the 'flu pandemic in 1918 is a comparison I would readily grant though. Those were 2 pandemics. So they are comparable, but an endemic illness is in no way epidemiologically equivalent to a pandemic. Anyone who holds that out would have to compare 2 totally different illnesses.

Nobody has seen ever in their lives anything like this. It is simply amazing to me how insulated people are from the reality, but then, I work in an ER.

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On the 'flu vaccines story-
It's true that the 'flu vaccines are disappointing and have to inconveniently be redosed and reformulated so often, for so little effect. There are 2 antigens, H and N and the N antigen seems to be less variable so- more broadly effective vaccine based there is coming. We may see a single vaccine that would cover several kinds of influenza and redosing would be over.
 
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