A potentially great game ruined by spite, incompetence and mediocre performance and poor AA

[zombieapocalypse]

I understand the point, but it's an overly simplistic view.

Frontier painted themselves into a corner and they had the choice of upsetting customers or shareholders.
In that situation, customers will always lose out.

If they keep persistently upsetting customers, then the shareholders will take notice, but frontier will have calculated that they can "get away" with the Odyssey release.

Not great, I agree.

Unfortunately, this situation has become totally normalised for the industry. Games get released far too early in an unfit or even broken state in order to meet financial targets and shareholder expectations. The publishers know the game is a mess but simply hope to fix/patch it after launch.

In a way, the problem is us, the gamers. Because we put up with it, we never learn and we keep preordering games or buying on launch day.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Just because loud voices rage loudly and seem to be the majority ... doesn't make them right.

(emphasis mine)

The fact that (using steam, as it's easy to calculate) 65% of respondents have given EDO a negative review, compared with 78% giving ED a positive review, speaks volumes. That sentiment alone is reflected here on the forums .. Something is not right with EDO, that is affecting the majority of players, and woe be those that ignore it.

**EDIT: Just to be clear: I don't agree entirely with the OP (about FDEV hating it's players), but I do agree with the GUI being of an extremely poor design (specially for PC users). People are upset over the quality of EDO, believing the hype of "it's just another branch of code" and yet, here we are, bugs/warts an all .. it's a poor show. ED, when it launched, I admit was a great game - very shallow compared to the DDF discussions we had, but at least ED worked, few bugs, framerates good, controls that made sense, menu's designed for mouse/KB (as well as others) .. EDO is a complete step backwards - great they introduced legs, what a damn shame the implementation is not up to FDEVs usual quality.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

The disconnect in the live stream yesterday was very cringy and embarrassing. The way Braben and the other devs were pretty much just shrugging off all the problems as "well, these things happen". I find it hard to believe that they weren't aware of some of the glaring issues before launch. But as I said above, the expectation is that they can just fix them after launch.

 

[Scoob101]

and woe be those that ignore it.

I guarantee Frontier have heard whispers that something is not quite right. The guys and girls at the sharp end are on it and have been for some time. It wasn't their call to release, it was far, far, higher up. Your ire should be directed toward the top of the hierarchy, who will of course ignore any such feedback from the great unwashed.

Davey-wavey`s share valuations are infinitely more important than you receiving a sub-par game update. Those yachts don't buy themselves, you know.

 

[Dartay]

I guarantee Frontier have heard whispers that something is not quite right. The guys and girls at the sharp end are on it and have been for some time. It wasn't their call to release, it was far, far, higher up. Your ire should be directed toward the top of the hierarchy, who will of course ignore any such feedback from the great unwashed.

Davey-wavey`s share valuations are infinitely more important than you receiving a sub-par game update. Those yachts don't buy themselves, you know.

Businesses gonna business.

All we can do is not be gullible morons, stop preordering, and allow market forces to do their job.

Sadly that's not looking too good for us atm

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

I guarantee Frontier have heard whispers that something is not quite right. The guys and girls at the sharp end are on it and have been for some time. It wasn't their call to release, it was far, far, higher up. Your ire should be directed toward the top of the hierarchy, who will of course ignore any such feedback from the great unwashed.

Davey-wavey`s share valuations are infinitely more important than you receiving a sub-par game update. Those yachts don't buy themselves, you know.

I am completely aware as to where the fault likely lies ... ;-)

 

[Scoob101]

I find it hard to believe that they weren't aware of some of the glaring issues before launch.

I`m quite sure that QA picked up and reported on 90% of all the issues we are talking about here if not all of them. Someone in an office with a spreadsheet simply came to the conclusion that "Its fine, we can ship with these bugs".

 

[Pat Healy]

Or, they could do what Hello Games did, get into gear and repair the damage. NMS was a dumpster fire at release, and the flak they got reflected that. But Hello Games pulled through, and now it's a good game. Lost reputation over a borked release is difficult but not impossible to regain.

Fairly confident that the thought process for investors and management was more or less along these lines. This is probably a bumpier ride than they were hoping for but the pattern of behavior from gamers (freak out in moral outrage, swear on their mother's grave never to play the game again, then come back in droves once the bugs are fixed) is well-established, as long as the developer does the right things. The NMS playbook probably looked like a more attractive option than pushing the release date.

Oh, also spite.

 

[Scoob101]

I am completely aware as to where the fault likely lies ... ;-)

So you already know what I and others have already pointed out on this thread - they only way those deciosn makers sit up in their thrones and listen is when people - en masse - stop buying sub-par games.

Best of luck with that one.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

I`m quite sure that QA picked up and reported on 90% of all the issues we are talking about here if not all of them. Someone in an office with a spreadsheet simply came to the conclusion that "Its fine, we can ship with these bugs".

Yeah, QA whistleblowers have reported this actually happening in a number of games, Cyberpunk being the go-to example at the moment. QA pick up most of the issues but management just decides to ignore them until after launch.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

So you already know what I and others have already pointed out on this thread - they only way those deciosn makers sit up in their thrones and listen is when people - en masse - stop buying sub-par games.

I agree .. don't pre-order.

I didn't - I had no choice. Like the LEP owners (who also had no choice) our only recourse is to make a lot of noise.

 

[zombieapocalypse]

I agree .. don't pre-order.

I didn't - I had no choice. Like the LEP owners (who also had no choice) our only recourse is to make a lot of noise.

I haven't pre-ordered a game since Aliens: Colonial Marines (), with the exception being the LEP for ED

 

[juanopen4]

At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.

I have more of the opinion that 98 percent of the base players, come from playing any crappy elite game of the 80s and 90s ... if they enjoy that game so much and hate the changes, the improvements, the new graphics And modern times in general, you can download elite 1 and 2 for free and continue in your spreadsheets, total, it does not seem that you want us to be critical of the developers and I do not think you wanted the game to really grow, you have lost your standards of quality due to a blind faith in frontier, and so we continue with a bug report application plagued with them for 2 or 3 years ... total, you do not mind errors and you can continue playing without breaking your immersion, it is not ?


My God,If you really appreciated a game, you wouldn't invite people to quit, that's the opposite of someone who loves a online game would want others to do.


Just tell me why the rest of us have to keep putting up with these self-indulgent speeches from old fans for years ...
maybe one day you should decide to take a step back, and let other users comment and propose suggestions and not try to embarrass them ... the simple fact that you are in the forum and not playing, says a lot about the current state of the game .

 

[C)(R!$Py]

Can I still play Horizons normally without Xpac ? don't want to buy the new game until they make it not suck. I bought this game to play space ship battle not Call Of Duty.
If i wanted to run around shooting with a rifle i would buy Call Of Duty. I hate those type of games.

 

[dannysquid]

I`m quite sure that QA picked up and reported on 90% of all the issues we are talking about here if not all of them. Someone in an office with a spreadsheet simply came to the conclusion that "Its fine, we can ship with these bugs".

You're forgetting that the bugs we see are just a tiny fraction of the even more gigantic list of bugs they've fixed before the game gets into our hands. And there's so many interconnected systems going on in the game I imagine bug-fixing is like a huge wobbly game of Jenga.

 

[Aewarin Jameson]

Can I still play Horizons normally without Xpac ?

Yes

 

[Oztig]

The incompetence is the UI, but some of this crap i dont see any other explanation for, other than FD hates its players. I cant believe they actually seemed to have racheted up the grind as well.

Just finished a mission, got the power back on and when i tried to hand it in, a voice said "mission failed". In addition to automatic failure i got a 100k fine on a mission worth only 116k.

Frontier is going to pay for this over and over and over again in lost sales and reputation. Imo they have a small window right now to pull it out of the fire before the negative reviews and feedback snowball, and boys and girls at FD, that window is closing fast. Im getting a refund on my other acct tomorrow and if things dont improve im going to agitate for a refund on my main account. Im sure my bank will cooperate with the specs peekaboo being what it was.

I cant even believe the outfitting and shipyard UI, how could they let it out the door in this condition? I guess when money is on the line, pride in your work suffers.

What an incredibly crass review.

There are many issues with EDO, and some of them should not have got out of the door,agreed - but using terms such as incompetence because you don't happen to like the UI design is just vitriol for its own sake.

I was going to say more, but don't fancy a ban at the minute.

 

[Scoob101]

You're forgetting that the bugs we see are just a tiny fraction of the even more gigantic list of bugs they've fixed before the game gets into our hands. And there's so many interconnected systems going on in the game I imagine bug-fixing is like a huge wobbly game of Jenga.

Sure, it was more a point about the decision process to ship, and pointing out that those making the decision to release - knew the state of what they were releasing.

 

[Xavi Mendoza]

The idea of buying the Mass Effect Legendary Edition and playing while this bug fix period and coming back after everything has been fixed is getting more and more attractive

 

[zimms]

The disconnect in the live stream yesterday was very cringy and embarrassing. The way Braben and the other devs were pretty much just shrugging off all the problems as "well, these things happen". I find it hard to believe that they weren't aware of some of the glaring issues before launch. But as I said above, the expectation is that they can just fix them after launch.

I stopped getting excited to see David Braben on stream quite some time ago I have to admit.

Yesterday he talked about "the Earth is really, really small if you compare it to Jupiter and Jupiter itself is tiny compared to the galaxy". I mean, yeah... but what does this have to do with Odyssey?

It's like we're getting the same speech since 2014, no matter the current state of Elite.