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It's a little depressing that one can release an unfinished product, sell it as a finished product, and this kind of behaviour has become the 'norm'.
ANNOUNCEMENT Odyssey Update 2021
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Did they state it was 'finished'? Every stream I've seen indicates this is merely a big step towards increasing what you can do in game. The advertisements advertise the main step here is 'space legs'; but they also stated this isn't all - there will be continuous improvements and new stuff to come.
Of course, requesting a person to purchase Odyssey will help them with the costs of taking these steps - but I really enjoy the game so was happy to do so (even though I am not a core FPS player).
Seems wanting to be a victim has become a norm to.
It broke nearly half of what was working in Horizons - in this sense its step backward not forward.
Also it is hilarious demonstration of complete development incompetence and inability to handle and remember their own code that this very team has written over the course of Horizons + Beyond expansions.
Also it is hilarious demonstration of complete development incompetence and inability to handle and remember their own code that this very team has written over the course of Horizons + Beyond expansions.
This thread has certainly sorted two types of players... One group, the 'sit back and accept anything sheep' and the another group, the 'annoyed shout loud agressive wolves'. I'll leave whoever reads this to decide on which side of the fence they sit or stand. While the sheep are content to wait for change, it is the wolves that will force those changes to happen.
There also appears to be those that think by wrongly simplifying and trying to push all the thoughts of those here on the forums into 2 groups, that somehow they are enlightened, or above such things maybe?
Thank God those with individual thought don't have to limit themselves to your very basic choices. Most know there are many issues to consider and can decide exactly what they want to decide. Those that are limited can of course pick from your very limited scope.
I can't even get my launcher to run the latest patch for Odyssey it just freezes, luckily I'm not that bothered about playing it (Got it for free) and Horizons seems to be still working for me but the whole thing is a show, FD never learn, they change things that don't need changing, break things that worked and fail to fix things that haven't worked for years.
Many of us were predicting exactly this and got shouted down, i don't know how game companies get away with it, other industries would collapse if they opereted the same way and provided obviously broken products.
Many of us were predicting exactly this and got shouted down, i don't know how game companies get away with it, other industries would collapse if they opereted the same way and provided obviously broken products.
That makes no sense, in what other industry could they sell you an unfinished product, promising that "if you pay for it now we hope to be able to send you all the parts to make it work properly by the end of the year oh and by the way we are sorry we brok the older version you already own, maybe we can fix that one too" ?
The 'wolves'
I've been playing Horizons absolutely fine thank you. I have now been doing exactly what I was doing before Odyssey, but now in the Odyssey framework.
It really isn't as if the game industry hasn't shown this type of construct for years now, and as stated I don't think those in the world of FDev have been secretive in stating that there would be issues that they will work through? <O
There is an impressive amount of work that has been put into Odyssey, visually a significant improvement, and with a fresh perspective the FPS element adds more immersion and gameplay variety and the effort should be applauded, however the number of bugs and issues show a very sad state of affairs, this product was not ready for release. Essentially you've developed code that has not been adequately tested, with your developers possibly being very hesitant to put out the Alpha that you made available, and the results of which are now common knowledge, then to publish a statement about your trunk and branches which now appears to have been a public relations management exercise for the most part, sadly yielding an expected result on release that your supporting patrons were hoping would not paint you in the same light as many AAA studios in recent years (Releasing untested, incomplete products to satisfy shareholders for financial year end, and leaving your customers with buyers remorse). Whatever bad media or social headlines you receive now and going forward, you have earned, own it and be responsible (Don't deflect/reframe), you have a major opportunity to turn your product around which wont be the first time, however with the state of the industry and world you need now as early as possible to provide a more engaging and time focuses social approach, don't leave your patrons guessing what your functional backlog looks like, make it clearly known and share the reasoning for the prioritisation, ensure your timing is known and realistic and provide targeted release dates showing dedication and effort to turning this around. Show your patrons you are not the same as other AAA studio's buy back their favour by being more, by living up to the vision you set out to achieve.
Well said, @Hammersdawn.
You're blinded by something if you can't see how poor this expansion is, poor design choices, poor implementation, many, many bugs as reported all over the forums and little to no communication from FD as usual and just because it somehow magically works perfectly for you doesn't excuse Frontier SELLING an expansion that flat out doesn't work for many people, (my launcher freezes while trying to update to yesterdays hotfix for example) just because other companies have done similar things.
FD did not say "We are selling a broken expansion and will fix it later" They said "Here's an expansion that we will add features to as we go on" those are two completely different things and you know it.
It's unacceptable, they are providing a service so should either do it right or not bother, after all it's not like we haven't had a very recent example of a massively hyped game that was released unfinished and seen what that does to a company reputation is it?
You've got to be joking. Since when is a release product a 'work in progress'? What was released was billed as the finished product, there was no mention of it being a beta version, if so, please show us where it is described as such - and that is before one even considers that it doesn't even qualify as a beta version, as it barely qualifies as an alpha.
Would you accept the release of an operating system that would crash on you every two minutes, on the basis that they'd eventually get round to fixing it? Perhaps some medical software that gave you false results, as they'll eventually work out the kinks. Or financial software that will lose your money? It'll get better! Here's your new car. We'll install a steering wheel within the next six months.
Denial is clearly not simply a river in Egypt.
Ironically, you've highlighted the point I've made, that games companies have been increasingly releasing unfinished work so often now that it has become the new norm. And is is frankly only in the games software industry this happens - it's surreal that some consumers accept this kind of treatment.
And if it was sold on that basis I would agree with you. Care to show us where it was sold on that basis?
Incorrect, I'm not blinded. As @Hammersdawn has stated:
"There is an impressive amount of work that has been put into Odyssey, visually a significant improvement, and with a fresh perspective the FPS element adds more immersion and gameplay variety and the effort should be applauded"
Did the FDev indicate there would be issues - yep, did I have the choice to purchase or not - yep, am I able to see the good Hammersdawn comments on - yep, am I able to see the issues - yep! I fail to see where I am blinded? I am still very much enjoying the game and have no issues in waiting for any issues in game to be resolved.
Some want to look at it solely on a negative footing, and that is their prerogative; I am happy with what I have and what there is to come.
You state: "FD did not say "We are selling a broken expansion and will fix it later" They said "Here's an expansion that we will add features to as we go on" those are two completely different things and you know it."
You are right - Have you not got that expansion that they will add features to as they go along? If you are so intent on focussing on their wording?
Because I am absolutely positive they said their were inevitably going to be issues - which has also happened. So it seems they have delivered in general what they stated - but as you say, it is important to look at the bigger picture here and what we all probably know: In this world it really doesn't matter what level someone delivers something at, there will always be someone who isn't satisfied. <O
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Can you show where FDev indicated this? Or where they said the release would be an unfinished product or beta version?
The simple reality is that opinions matter to those who have them, the sad part is that the facts should be quantified to simple realistic terms of response and resolution and not attacks or defences, I don't think anyone would argue that the Odyssey in its current state is acceptable.
That said it would be of more benefit for FDev to as I stated before own it and be responsible (Don't deflect/reframe), FDev have a major opportunity to turn Odyssey around which wont be the first time for FDev, however with the state of the industry and world they need now as early as possible to provide a more engaging and time focuses social approach, don't leave us their patrons guessing what their functional backlog looks like, make it clearly known and share the reasoning for the prioritisation, ensure their timings are known and realistic and provide targeted release dates showing dedication and effort to turning this around.
FDev have an opportunity to define who they are in ACTION, otherwise perception and opinion will do the damage. Our roles are simple, hold them to account and demand adequate and timely response.
So can you show me where they said 'It will be free from any flaws and be perfect in every way'? You seem to be focusing on the words that suit you.
Let's try not to get wrapped up with trying to catch each other out.
For me I watched a ton of streams and Twitter releases that discussed the issues. I am sorry you seemed to miss them. I have also heard them say its not finished - as they indicate there is so much more they want to release down the line. So as I stated before I am perfectly happy. I'm sorry you aren't. <O
Frontier really needs to embrace the Hello Games approach and just be honest about where the product is at, throw a little shade at external pressures, and commit to delivering the product that was promised. No one can predict if it will be a fairytale ending for Frontier if they do that, but it sure feels like the right thing to do!