ANNOUNCEMENT Odyssey Update 2021

[[VR] James Constantine]

So can you show me where they said 'It will be free from any flaws and be perfect in every way'? You seem to be focusing on the words that suit you.

Strawman argument.

Let's try not to get wrapped up with trying to catch each other out.

It's not a question of catching someone out, it's a question of refuting demonstrable falsehoods. FDev brought out an Alpha version, and it had issues, but it was clearly sold as that. Fair enough. However the release version was not sold as an alpha, beta, but as a final product and the reason you cannot show otherwise is publically this was the case, and you have failed to demonstrate otherwise.

For me I watched a ton of streams and Twitter releases that discussed the issues. I am sorry you seemed to miss them. I have also heard them say its not finished - as they indicate there is so much more they want to release down the line. So as I stated before I am perfectly happy. I'm sorry you aren't. <O

Hearsay. What was being officially sold is what matters. And if it was simply a case of missing content it wouldn't be so bad, but it's been a lot worse than that.

 

[[VR] James Constantine]

Frontier really needs to embrace the Hello Games approach and just be honest about where the product is at, throw a little shade at external pressures, and commit to delivering the product that was promised. No one can predict if it will be a fairytale ending for Frontier if they do that, but it sure feels like the right thing to do!

I'd imagine that'll be the plan, but I suspect they don't have the resources to do that anytime soon, and the longer this drags out, the more damage the brand will suffer.

 

[MacIntoc]

Did the FDev indicate there would be issues - yep

Source ?

Did they also say that many players who bought Odyssey on their store will not be able to play Odyssey or Horizon after the game is released because the launcher freezes or always ask for an update ?

 

[WaveRider]

The simple reality is that opinions matter to those who have them, the sad part is that the facts should be quantified to simple realistic terms of response and resolution and not attacks or defences, I don't think anyone would argue that the Odyssey in its current state is acceptable.

Opinions matter - I have given you my opinion.

I have not tried to attack or defend - I have merely stated why I feel the way I do and when questioned/challenged, explained why (if you wish to call that defence then fine - I just believe I was explaining). In addition I am happy with my game as I was playing this morning - as I will play it later on - as I will continue to play it.

That said it would be of more benefit for FDev to as I stated before own it and be responsible (Don't deflect/reframe), FDev have a major opportunity to turn Odyssey around which wont be the first time for FDev, however with the state of the industry and world they need now as early as possible to provide a more engaging and time focuses social approach, don't leave us their patrons guessing what their functional backlog looks like, make it clearly known and share the reasoning for the prioritisation, ensure their timings are known and realistic and provide targeted release dates showing dedication and effort to turning this around.

Turn it around, from what? It is an expansion that has added many immediate pro's as you yourself has stated. Absolutely there are issues, do they affect me in a way that I have to view the game as unacceptable? No; it's perfectly acceptable to me. Do I want the issues corrected? Yes; and I believe they will do so.

Again, I can't disagree with good communication - but I certainly don't want them to stop correcting issues so they can come running to the forums to let us know everything they are doing to the satisfaction of the mob. And do you believe that will solve the issue of people being negative? I doubt it.

My thought is they can be as open and forward as they like and you will get plenty whining that what they are doing, priority wise, is wrong. It won't matter whether it is wrong or right - but to some, if it is not there way, then it must be wrong.

FDev have an opportunity to define who they are in ACTION, otherwise perception and opinion will do the damage. Our roles are simple, hold them to account and demand adequate and timely response.

You could also say our role is to give a balanced perspective to? (Although I realise balance can be subjective lol). <O

 

[WaveRider]

Source, on the stream, on the forums, practically every time I see them discussing an issue and apologising they also indicated they expected issues to arise and are depending on the player base to report them.

If you have honestly not seen and heard them indicate this then maybe that is why you are mad you haven't got a perfect game?

 

[Atsfsteam]

The release being pushed back for consoles only suggests to me that there are optimization concerns, I hope. No need to delay a release for PC users because of consoles. I really appreciate this, because it's more of a risk to them to not have a unified launch for every platform.

Glad I got my triple elite and King and Admiral ranks before the Fleet Carrier release!! Because they have complete abandon the console players!!
I have tickets in that they have not even looked at after the Fleet Carrier update. It makes Console vs PC like night and day!!!!

 

[sorearm]

FDev don't care as they think they can rely on people's goodwill - well there's a limit to that. IF odd-ity works fine in 3-6 months maybe I'll think about buying it on reduced price, but if it's broken and the base game doesn't work well I'm afraid I'll be drifting to other games, I already am.

 

[sorearm]

Glad I got my triple elite and King and Admiral ranks before the Fleet Carrier release!! Because they have complete abandon the console players!!
I have tickets in that they have not even looked at after the Fleet Carrier update. It makes Console vs PC like night and day!!!!

Yeah console players have had a really really rough deal

 

[Andro]

Glad I got my triple elite and King and Admiral ranks before the Fleet Carrier release!! Because they have complete abandon the console players!!
I have tickets in that they have not even looked at after the Fleet Carrier update. It makes Console vs PC like night and day!!!!

Consoles will get Odyssey in a polished state, which is far more than I can say about PC players.

 

[Hammersdawn]

Opinions matter - I have given you my opinion.

I have not tried to attack or defend - I have merely stated why I feel the way I do and when questioned/challenged, explained why (if you wish to call that defence then fine - I just believe I was explaining). In addition I am happy with my game as I was playing this morning - as I will play it later on - as I will continue to play it.


Turn it around, from what? It is an expansion that has added many immediate pro's as you yourself has stated. Absolutely there are issues, do they affect me in a way that I have to view the game as unacceptable? No; it's perfectly acceptable to me. Do I want the issues corrected? Yes; and I believe they will do so.

Again, I can't disagree with good communication - but I certainly don't want them to stop correcting issues so they can come running to the forums to let us know everything they are doing to the satisfaction of the mob. And do you believe that will solve the issue of people being negative? I doubt it.

My thought is they can be as open and forward as they like and you will get plenty whining that what they are doing, priority wise, is wrong. It won't matter whether it is wrong or right - but to some, if it is not there way, then it must be wrong.


You could also say our role is to give a balanced perspective to? (Although I realise balance can be subjective lol). <O

Being that I never agreed, disagreed or otherwise disregarded your statements, in fact supported them however simply suggested indirectly acknowledging the 17826 currently listed reported issues and a mechanism by which these can be categorised within a response and resolution timeline that would be realistic, and some community response that supports this effort would be for everyone's benefit and that neither supporting nor attacking FDev would result in a positive outcome. However you could respond to CMDR James who was in my opinion suggesting that despite your opinion 17826 issues does not qualify this as a product ready for the masses. In terms of pleasing the mob, I dont care about pleasing the mob, I care about knowing when I can expect a beloved game to be fully playable and in a state of improvement justifying my own personal support of FDev. In terms of balanced perspective, I was sold a Ferrari however given Fiat, its operable but not what I paid for, for most people this is fraud and should be a crime, yet I am not petitioning for a class action simply a timeline and response to resolution which I think is a biased perspective in FDev's favour.

 

[BroadswordUK]

I think this entire topic needs de-escalated, people here are just getting way too emotional.

I understand fully that the expansion came out littered with bugs, it was a poor release. Fdev I am sure will sort it, however, this does not detract from the matter that it was released before it was completed properly. Whether this was deceptive on Fdev's behalf will remain to be seen. But it is clear that Fdev rushed this, just like Horizons before, introducing huge changes to a game of this scale will bring about issues, however, if these issues have been reported, and subsequently ignored during testing phases then Fdev is fully accountable.

Cast your minds back to when Horizons came out, there were huge issues for all players. This seems to be an Issue at Fdev and with other developers, rush to get the money, risk having the hand that feeds you cut off! Still, here we are again all rambling on about the same stuff again and again.

Fdev needs to listen to this and take note. However, I suspect that David and his Team stop reading after the first page of vitriol, never mind take on what anyone says here. They are looking at the Steam Charts, PC Press reports, etc.

I don't read many Steam reviews, it's full of toxic children and overly "Woke young adults" I was going to buy Odyssey anyway regardless. So I will live with the issues, none have been game-breaking for me, others players are not so fortunate. Knowone held a gun against my head and told me to buy this, I did it of my own volition.

 

[cmdr milesred]

stop applying your definitions to my posts simply so you can remove them
my posts are directed at frontier
anyone interpreting them as an attack on anyone else is obviously not actually reading and comprehending.
I keep saying it

ban me

its the only way you are going to stop me

it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that my game is gone and I will never be playing it ever again
its been gone for 4 days now

and instead of it being put back or put in any way that makes it playable...I come in here to keep pointing out that its still broken
and that it doesnt matter any more
4 days is a lot of damage to the BGS in the Area that I once called my home in the stars.

literally hundreds of cmdrs daily fighting to take my systems and frontier has given them all the ability to destroy me because I cant play a broken game.

all those carriers in the system around the Nova CG
what do you think they are doing to my systems????????
they have been actively attacking all that is mine since the cg started

and YOU have removed me from the game so I cannot defend

and you try to remove me from the forums so no one can see what frontier is doing to 8 years of BGS that 1 cmdr did.

you tell me not to do this, not to do that...

I have been left only 1 tool to communicate with.

take it too.
why not
you have no idea
8 years of being a loyal customer, thousands of dollars in paint and other extras
yet treated like a criminal

ban me
remove my account, I'm sure you are aching to

 

[Cervantes01]

Well my refund has been processed, been playing exclusively since Elite Dangerous 1.4 following FD through all of the subsequent releases. I'm a bit sad that it's come to this really, but there we go I may process again when the bugs and performance issues have been ironed out and the cost is £4.99 but until then I'm finding something else to play.

 

[Ozric]

remove my account, I'm sure you are aching to

If you want your account removed then please email community@frontier.co.uk

 

[hobblygobbly]

The UI/UX design is objectively worse with Odyssey if you use a joystick or controller. It’s too mouse-centric. Specifically the system and galaxy map. It’s entirely aesthetic driven with very bad functionality, so much has been lost.

It makes zero sense to me why things that took 1-3 button presses, now need 5-6 for the same functionalities, and some situations even up to 11 presses when it just needed 2-3!

There is not a single redeeming thing I find about the new UI/UX experience

Every single UI interaction has been made more tedious, everything needs more presses and navigation compared to the previous.

 

[Draconas109]

day 4 of staring at this

 

[WaveRider]

Being that I never agreed, disagreed or otherwise disregarded your statements, in fact supported them however simply suggested indirectly acknowledging the 17826 currently listed reported issues and a mechanism by which these can be categorised within a response and resolution timeline that would be realistic, and some community response that supports this effort would be for everyone's benefit and that neither supporting nor attacking FDev would result in a positive outcome. However you could respond to CMDR James who was in my opinion suggesting that despite your opinion 17826 issues does not qualify this as a product ready for the masses. In terms of pleasing the mob, I dont care about pleasing the mob, I care about knowing when I can expect a beloved game to be fully playable and in a state of improvement justifying my own personal support of FDev. In terms of balanced perspective, I was sold a Ferrari however given Fiat, its operable but not what I paid for, for most people this is fraud and should be a crime, yet I am not petitioning for a class action simply a timeline and response to resolution which I think is a biased perspective in FDev's favour.

I don't believe I said you did or didn't agree with me - I merely explained to you why I have said what I did and my thoughts on the matter.

And of course you can think what you want, that is your prerogative. It's all good! <O

 

[WaveRider]

stop applying your definitions to my posts simply so you can remove them
my posts are directed at frontier
anyone interpreting them as an attack on anyone else is obviously not actually reading and comprehending.
I keep saying it

ban me

its the only way you are going to stop me

it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that my game is gone and I will never be playing it ever again
its been gone for 4 days now

and instead of it being put back or put in any way that makes it playable...I come in here to keep pointing out that its still broken
and that it doesnt matter any more
4 days is a lot of damage to the BGS in the Area that I once called my home in the stars.

literally hundreds of cmdrs daily fighting to take my systems and frontier has given them all the ability to destroy me because I cant play a broken game.

all those carriers in the system around the Nova CG
what do you think they are doing to my systems????????
they have been actively attacking all that is mine since the cg started

and YOU have removed me from the game so I cannot defend

and you try to remove me from the forums so no one can see what frontier is doing to 8 years of BGS that 1 cmdr did.

you tell me not to do this, not to do that...

I have been left only 1 tool to communicate with.

take it too.
why not
you have no idea
8 years of being a loyal customer, thousands of dollars in paint and other extras
yet treated like a criminal

ban me
remove my account, I'm sure you are aching to

Sir, to try and defuse the situation. You are mad and no doubt for good reason; I will not argue against your feelings on the matter. I also understand that your anger may cause a great deal of frustration - but is it worth being confrontational and hostile on the forums to the extent you are asking for your own account to be banned?

I am guessing you would not deserve that to happen. <O

 

[MacIntoc]

Source, on the stream, on the forums, practically every time I see them discussing an issue and apologising they also indicated they expected issues to arise and are depending on the player base to report them.

If you have honestly not seen and heard them indicate this then maybe that is why you are mad you haven't got a perfect game?

Provide links and timecodes. Without these, you are just making affirmations out of nowhere.

 

[Ancient Forester]

The anger in the forums. Are in reality some of the most loyal people making it worse?

One of the recipients of Frontier Development's Loyalty pack of goodies (the streamers that got pelicases with terrariums) raised the issue that Frontier are "ignoring the angry people who only complain". That is actually a possibility. My question then is: Are streamers that are belittling...

forums.frontier.co.uk

This topic is related. There's a lot of anger. And a lot of people whose intent ARE good (an intent I respect: They want the anger to subside), but ... try viewing it from the other side. If you're more or less belittling the problems people experience they WILL be angry at both you, and who they see as the source of their problem. BOTH sides need to de-escalate.