Horizons/Odyssey Compatibility - Further Details

As for LEP refund, there are threads on the forum on that and IIRC it's really not easy to get one.

There are two sides of the same coin. Why should someone who understands that computer hardware obsoletes with time, and upgraded along the way, be "punished" by not receiving the new planetary tech and improvements which came with Odyssey? Maybe they're as uninterested in the 3% additional gameplay as you, but want to see better planets and stuff? I can take it even further, why I as a PC user, have to be brought in line with sub-par hardware (last gen consoles)? They're cheaper option, they can have cheaper graphics, no? Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (read: it is expensive for it to work in that way).

You could say "just buy Odyssey", right? But it still isn't as simple as you think. For example - I'm not buying Odyssey until a proper VR mode is built in. I don't have a LEP, I can vote with my wallet on this one, despite being really interested in what Odyssey offers. If they don't build a proper VR mode in, I will wait for a large discount to buy it because I refuse to support it in its current form.

As for optimising - there is a point to which you can optimise. Optimising for obsolete DirectX versions for example - some things just won't work, and maintaining different codebases for different configurations is not really fun (and cheap). There is a point when you need to cut it - and that's exactly what happened with the Mac version. When optimising, you're not making new features which will bring new clients in, you're just placating your userbase. And the "die-hards" on prehistoric equipment are usually the ones that are "uninterested in fps pew-pew", despite Odyssey being much more than that. Plus, other developers are cutting out older DX versions, I believe frontier did that already by the way. Whether or not they did a good job on optimising Odyssey is another matter but if you want to really have a say in that, you'd need to buy stocks... and a lot of them :D

Computer hardware needs to be updated every few years. It's called progress and being angry for that is... silly in my opinion. It's a pity you need to upgrade during the pandemic when prices went crazy - but it will pass eventually. There are millions of other games to play in the meantime.
You are correct; and I admit my rig is ancient; I am glad I bought the life time pass as it’s been a saving, but I won’t upgrade my PC just for 1 element of DLC. Regards the argument of progress I disagree, but feel that is a matter of perspective.

With time, yes I may well go down that route, but only to factor in other things; right now my rig still outperforms even my works PC, gaming is not a prerequisite of mine, I am generally just bitter at the state of Odyssey in general, the only reason graphics are required a boost is to enable the foot based gameplay, and because obviously if they don’t merge them they end up with a spilt community and separate instances, I understand that. But the game as is on vanilla Horizons looks wonderful, it I’m sure without Odyssey textures, walking around on surfaces would look ugly and laggy, but as it is, it looks beautiful,

Yet my concern is it doesn’t warrant a new rig / card just to play it, if FPS are your thing good, but that is all FDO is, a bolt on FPS with some nice detailed graphics (not amazing I point out, not even by some older gen console standards), but that’s good if you want that, if you want the details but not if you’re happy with the vanilla game, FD are forcing this on everyone, that’s what I have a beef about. I’m not after a refund, just playing devils advocate, and just acknowledging FD are punishing customers who already own a product, again this is one of the reasons some of us older duffers wanted an offline mode, less fuss, less to pay in the long run.

If I wasn’t a lifetime pass holder I wouldn’t buy FDO, not because I couldn’t run it, because if I wanted to I would, it’s no concern; but because I feel EDO is actually substandard, if there was more content other than FPS, such as an actual ‘Armstrong’ moment, cabin / ship interiors, actually being able to buy a drink at a bar; generally anything more than the amateurish stuff we’ve seen in Alpha, I would consider a new card. And I still hope all that is around the corner - I would literally go buy a new card just for that alone, but not just FPS pew-pew. Life’s too short, plus any content FD are hiding I bet we won’t see for another 12 months just so they can get their money’s worth.

Rant over, but you are correct; excuse me I’m just an old duffer and I’m experiencing a wine outage.

Right now I’m I happy with Horizons and I would like them not to take that option away from us.

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With time, yes I may well go down that route, but only to factor in other things; right now my rig still outperforms even my works PC, gaming is not a prerequisite of mine, I am generally just bitter at the state of Odyssey in general
And that's perfectly understandable. My post somehow came out too aggressive without it being an intent, and I am sorry for that. I can understand that it's not a gaming machine, and that some people only own one game - ED. It's just unfortunate that we find ourselves in the current economic predicament where GPUs and CPUs are crazy expensive right now, so you cannot upgrade and enjoy the better visuals.

By the way, in another thread @TiberiusDuval mentioned that deleting existing configuration (BACKUP FIRST) their fps improved considerably, so maybe it's only a case of incompatible shaders needing to be deleted? I've experienced it earlier with DCS World (a game worth trying if you already have a hotas ;-), see spoiler )

 
In that case you could always refund it and wait till hardware upgrade or a sale?
Personally I'm happy enough to keep the game, like I said I bought the game without being certain I had the right hardware, which was my choice, so I knew I was taking a risk. I'll upgrade in a year or so and in the mean time I'll stick with Horizons.
 
Still haven't been able to launch Horizons once since Odyssey launched. Even after hotfix 2, and because of this I'm softlocked into an Apex taxi in Odyssey.

completely locked out of the game
 
Fleet carriers still not moving. why the elite dangerous team can't solve the problem? By now, whole days have passed and no news of a solution forecast. It does not bode well for the solution of the problems with Odyssey.
 
I believe, Frontier Development must not destroy Horizon game, we paid for, with backports from Odyssey DLC.
Especially:

1. Awful "new, fancy" in-game UI (stations, maps)
Redesigned without any need (only limpets part was questionable).
Redesigned without proper UX in mind. Less informative, less convenient, demanding more clicks.
Don't "fix" (=break) things, those are not broken !

2. Broken planet surfaces.
Destroys notable Horizon planets relief.
SRV-inpassable, non-landable surfaces (fixed ?)

3. Broken "improvement" graphics:
Broken contrast, changed without need.
Excess redesign - f/ex. broken ship radar, awful redesigned stars, questionable animation changes.
Increased system requirements.

I they would, I see no other solution, than demanding refund for every penny, invested in Horizon.

Don't destroy our Horizon game.
Don't destroy your game.
 
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Please god, no.... 😭

Having seen the "graphical improvements" and the UI changes, I don't want this. I bought Odyssey; I won't play it, but you can keep the forty quid to go towards keeping the servers going: Please don't kill the ability to play Horizons as it stands today.
 
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Please god, no.... 😭

Having seen the "graphical improvements" and the UI changes, I don't want this. I bought Odyssey; I won't play it, but you can keep the forty quid to go towards keeping the servers going: Please don't kill the ability to play Horizons as it stands today.
A part of me doubts that Odyssey will ever make it to last generation consoles...
If luck is on your side the demands of the new planetary tech will also prevent the porting of it to Horizons as it would change the base system requirements.
It just depends on how much they can remove from Odyssey's graphics to get it on consoles and still be acceptable in comparison to the PC version (I don't think it could be missing any features on console against PC)
 
Hello. I'm playing Horizons and having troubles using the Galaxy Map Commodities filter function to find markets. Specifically:

When i go to the Galaxy Map and use the Commodities filter, i can see that "Ramos Hydroponics Market" is selling coffee, so i use the "Plot course to market" button and exit to flight view.
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But when i come back to flight view, nothing is selected, and i also can't find the market on the Navigation Panel.
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I have already docked at a station, scanned the Navigation Satelite, discovered all the planets and probed all the planets i can land at
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And asking around, it seems these kind of settlements are Oddysey specific, wich is weird since i'm playing Horizons and can still see them. Is there something i'm not doing or doing wrong? Is it a problem with the game?
 
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Please god, no.... 😭

Having seen the "graphical improvements" and the UI changes, I don't want this. I bought Odyssey; I won't play it, but you can keep the forty quid to go towards keeping the servers going: Please don't kill the ability to play Horizons as it stands today.
Wow I was just about to ask exactly that myself. We should start a group.

I have a lifetime pass and don't mind upgrading from my old rig, but in-game I just do hardcore deep space exploration of unofficial POIs in an unarmed The Starting Ship, and I'm not interested in Odyssey even if Frontier gets it to work. Apart from being broken and obviously inferior to Horizons in every way apart from the legs thing, Odyssey stands to wipe out all of the monumental work of the Galactic Mapping Project in mapping the Horizons Galaxy. We just wanted to be able to walk around inside our ships.

So please Frontier, don't scrap Horizons. Better to make a hard decision now and scrap Odyssey and its so-called 'improvements' instead, than to allow it to destroy the entire game.
 
A part of me doubts that Odyssey will ever make it to last generation consoles...
If luck is on your side the demands of the new planetary tech will also prevent the porting of it to Horizons as it would change the base system requirements.
It just depends on how much they can remove from Odyssey's graphics to get it on consoles and still be acceptable in comparison to the PC version (I don't think it could be missing any features on console against PC)
I would say with the proper coding they can get Odyssey to run perfectly fine with PS4 and XBOX. The question is whether they rush out another half-baked cake or spend the time, corporate earnings cycle be damned.

I say that because I own several titles which run well on both my PC, PS4, and XBOX One. Doom runs great on my PC, and I have that on XBOX One, and I think the first person graphics on Doom are easily on par (frankly much better) than what I’ve witnessed in Odyssey. I’m running Doom Eternal well (50 FPS) on my PC, and the action in that game gets insane.

I have an older machine, but I researched my build well and put in the hardware that has extended its lifespan to the point where I will be able to ride out the insane GPU market. My Odyssey experience mirrors many with much stronger cards, so I’m waiting for Frontier to address known Issues. Right now, Horizons is far more enjoyable to play.

Call me nuts, but I think with recent crypto-related news (Nvidia LHR cards, Ethereum proof of stake), GPU cards will soon be available at dramatically lower prices.
 
Call me nuts, but I think with recent crypto-related news (Nvidia LHR cards, Ethereum proof of stake), GPU cards will soon be available at dramatically lower prices.
I won't call anyone nuts... ;)

I really must catchup on that news, it sounds very promising!


I also have a PS4 - If Odyssey can be trimmed down to work that would be very nice.
 
I won't call anyone nuts... ;)

I really must catchup on that news, it sounds very promising!


I also have a PS4 - If Odyssey can be trimmed down to work that would be very nice.
Yeah, by soon I’m thinking months, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see miners start to unload their cards. This in turn should impact scalpers as well, hopefully.

I have Elite on PC and PS4.... my kid has the PS4 so it’s been ages since I’ve played the game on PS4.

Anyhooo ... I think Frontier will get this sorted out. It’s not fun reading all the negative reviews, but if that helps spur improvements and avoid future mistakes, great. I’m old enough to know that failure is a very effective teacher, haha.
 
I say that because I own several titles which run well on both my PC, PS4, and XBOX One. Doom runs great on my PC, and I have that on XBOX One, and I think the first person graphics on Doom are easily on par (frankly much better) than what I’ve witnessed in Odyssey. I’m running Doom Eternal well (50 FPS) on my PC, and the action in that game gets insane.
Yeah but Doom is a total outlier written by the most brilliant wizards in the industry :) And comparing their engine to Cobra is... unsubstantiated at best :)
Call me nuts, but I think with recent crypto-related news (Nvidia LHR cards, Ethereum proof of stake), GPU cards will soon be available at dramatically lower prices.
I call you nuts, but not because of the crypto, it's because the worldwide demand vs silicon shortage is the problem. Linus did a video about it recently. Everyone and his dog wants to upgrade their rigs apparently, besides mining problems. Being locked a year at home because of the pandemic made people appreciate games much more. VR helmets flying off the shelves too :cool:
 
Yeah but Doom is a total outlier written by the most brilliant wizards in the industry :) And comparing their engine to Cobra is... unsubstantiated at best :)

I call you nuts, but not because of the crypto, it's because the worldwide demand vs silicon shortage is the problem. Linus did a video about it recently. Everyone and his dog wants to upgrade their rigs apparently, besides mining problems. Being locked a year at home because of the pandemic made people appreciate games much more. VR helmets flying off the shelves too :cool:

I suppose my point on Doom is that it's possible to get much better performance with good coding.

As for the GPU market, we shall see, my friend. It's the tendency of most markets to think forward 6-12 months, so I imagine there are many people out there sitting on equipment which may soon be worth far less next year than they can sell it for now. It doesn't take much to get the knife to fall, and then nobody wants to be the last one there to catch it.
 
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