There’s this bloke called David Braben who keeps making posts apologising. Doesn’t he know there’s nothing wrong?
Not a normal game
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It's obvious that they make mistakes. It's also obvious they don't stop making them. It's also obvious that it's not the fault of the players. That wasn't my point though.
I see, I must have read more into it then. No biggie.
Not sure why you are quoting me, it's completely unrelated. Did I say nothing is wrong?
You might be surprised how accurate it is in some cases...
They aren't mutually exclusive, it possible to have respect / admiration, be in awe of the scope and aspersions of the project whilst simultaneously be critical of how it's presented and delivered. I think this is something that folk don't seem to understand, being critical of something is often not only done from a position of complete frustration but also full support for the project.
There's a natural tipping point where the frustration starts to erode the support but the responsibility of that frustration lies purely in the ownership of the developers, it's the same in every walk of life.
Strangely enough not being critical and just fully accepting of what is delivered is counter productive. There are times when criticism here goes overboard but for the most part it's good objective criticism and that should always be welcome.
You not wanting to read it is a YP not a MP.
I think we probably disagree on the basic premise that the more ambitious Frontier (or indeed any other company) is the more poor implementation can be excused.
I applaud Frontier’s ambition, I don’t applaud their implementation.
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Really? You don't care about bugs and glitches?
I mean, I can be forgiving, more or less patiently waiting for fixes, but it doesn't mean I don't care about bugs and glitches. If you say you don't care, you probably don't play.
And if you are so happy to accept full release to be in such state, then that and worse is what you're going to be getting. Why bother if consumers are so forgiving that they are willing to thorw money at you even if you provide them with unfinished product?
There would be less of a krapstorm if Frontier would sell Odyssey as EA. I knew it wouldn't be perfect, I've lowered my expectations, I'm trying to have fun despite bugs and glitches - and I'm not overly outraged like some people, but I would prefer not to trudge through this game, but rather enjoy it fully.
Yeah. Criticism and pointing out things that don't seem right is very important. That's called feedback.
I got my own list of issues with Elite. It's not that I think it's all peachy and well.
A lot of criticism though is not just well over the tipping point, but jumps straight forward into the pit with no intention of being constructive.
In terms of "not reading", I do look at what's posted here, but actually dismiss anything that starts with jumping off into said pit above.
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You don't care how bad it is? 
Wow FD must love people like you
Wow FD must love people like you
If anything it will catch fire...Nuance and reasonable debate? On the interwebs? I don't think it will catch on.
Yeah. Criticism and pointing out things that don't seem right is very important. That's called feedback.
I got my own list of issues with Elite. It's not that I think it's all peachy and well.
A lot of criticism though is not just well over the tipping point, but jumps straight forward into the pit with no intention of being constructive.
In terms of "not reading", I do look at what's posted here, but actually dismiss anything that starts with jumping off said pit above.
You're going to get that, no one is immune to becoming subjective, especially when it involves something you're invested and passionate about. A lot of us have been around a long time often providing the same feedback about the same things repeatedly, eventually that leads to frustration
I've had a good rant on this forum over the years, mainly around the time of engineers where I eventually just disappeared for two years (without a goodbye thread
).I wonder if you read the first post in this thread and do so honestly, whether you could really call it constructive?Yeah. Criticism and pointing out things that don't seem right is very important. That's called feedback.
I got my own list of issues with Elite. It's not that I think it's all peachy and well.
A lot of criticism though is not just well over the tipping point, but jumps straight forward into the pit with no intention of being constructive.
In terms of "not reading", I do look at what's posted here, but actually dismiss anything that starts with jumping off into said pit above.
I don't applaud their current implementation either, first they need to fix the most important issues. And even when they fix them it's no excuse for the broken release. People are right to complain when they can't run the game on recommended specs. And they are right to complain when they fail a mission because of a bug. And they are right to complain when the planet generation doesn't look as good as it's supposed to be. Does that mean the game is finally doomed and that it will be abandoned in the next few months? Probably not. Most critical issues will be fixed over the next weeks / months while some remain in the game forever.
When it comes to complaints, there are several layers of 'quality', some are very much justified while others are just venting frustration. Over the last years I learned to differentiate between the former and the latter. I take the justified complaints serious and laugh about the doom stuff.
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Same.
I'm not enjoying many of the UI changes. But as for the content itself, I have found it wildly entertaining thus far.
The issues I’m having, I suspect, are largely due to my increasingly-obsolete video card. Even in Horizons I was getting only 40 FPS, figure my current texture pop-in and 90+ degree CPU temp trace back to that. Getting a new laptop soon, hope it helps.
he is right...
if you have a look to the achievable to unlock weapon you'll see that you'll get old before getting an tier level.
It was the ame road on the blueprint guardian.
Stop dismiss other facts and try to confute them... if you are able.
Then again there are those who try to frame any kind of criticism as a 'doom' post and therefore something that should be dismissed out of hand, even if there may be a kernel of truth hidden within.
Certainly there are extremes on both sides, though they tend to co-exist quite happily on my ignore list.
Personally, I'd be happier if the mods were more stringent when it comes to considering posts that according to forum rules are required to be at least respectful and not personal attacks.